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Region Specific Technical / Service Provider Support => North America - Including Google Voice, Skype, etc. => Topic started by: drgeoff on June 18, 2018, 06:16:35 AM

Title: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: drgeoff on June 18, 2018, 06:16:35 AM
I know it is just a matter of time but as of 1310 GMT 18 June 2018 the GV trunk (Motif) on my Asterisk PBX is still working.

I wonder if it will be a phased withdrawal of XMPP or an instant switch off everywhere for everyone.
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: SteveInWA on June 18, 2018, 05:36:25 PM
Yes, the migration of users off of XMPP has begun today.  Yes, it really is time to give up on XMPP.  Yes, the migration is staged; there are a large number of steps that have to happen, across multiple platforms, on an account-by-account basis, to do this carefully and thoroughly.  It's going to take some days for all users to be converted.

In other words,

"GTB":  https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r32005916- (https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r32005916-) = largely correct.

"WhyADuck":  https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r32005948- (https://www.dslreports.com/forum/r32005948-) = bullshit speculation.
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: billsimon on June 18, 2018, 05:47:35 PM
This is disappointing. I was hoping that Google had some oversized 15,000V knife switch that they throw to shut the whole thing down in one glorious, sparks-exploding "farewell."

Only in the theatrical version, I suppose.
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: SteveInWA on June 18, 2018, 06:12:27 PM
Bill, ha!

You mean, like this?  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ9Xk0Lln5Y (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZ9Xk0Lln5Y)
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: SteveInWA on June 18, 2018, 06:16:21 PM
There are tens of millions of Google Voice users, so it would have to be 10 megavolt knife switch, at least.  All kidding aside, every single account needs to be touched and a whole lot of other systems need to be altered.  It's like a large city performing a major water main or sewer line replacement; first, you build out the new pipes, pumping stations, junctions, sensors, etc, then you connect the new lines, then you shut off the old lines, and abandon them, all while millions of people are using their toilets.
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: RFC3261 on June 18, 2018, 07:03:43 PM
Quote from: SteveInWA on June 18, 2018, 06:12:27 PM
Bill, ha!

You mean, like this?
I would think more like this:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GMbN9nb3qyk

(for those that have never seen what *real* high voltage can do, while this is not a typical event, it is what the system is designed to do to protect the grid elsewhere...  The power of physics....  btw, I hope those guys and gals were using their ear protection....)
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: RFC3261 on July 19, 2018, 09:00:01 AM
Quote from: drgeoff on June 18, 2018, 06:16:35 AM
I know it is just a matter of time ...
Reports are that while the turn-off was deferred (due to various identified issues since adequately resolved), today (well, last evening) was finally the day.  Goodbye XMPP.
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: Taoman on July 19, 2018, 09:09:14 AM
Quote from: RFC3261 on July 19, 2018, 09:00:01 AM
Quote from: drgeoff on June 18, 2018, 06:16:35 AM
I know it is just a matter of time ...
Reports are that while the turn-off was deferred (due to various identified issues since adequately resolved), today (well, last evening) was finally the day.  Goodbye XMPP.

Yep. Reports are coming in from all over about this. Appears the Google Chat option has been removed from all Google Voice accounts.

Looks like Google may have really pulled the plug on XMPP this time.
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: Taoman on July 19, 2018, 09:10:59 AM
Quote from: drgeoff on June 18, 2018, 06:16:35 AM
I know it is just a matter of time but as of 1310 GMT 18 June 2018 the GV trunk (Motif) on my Asterisk PBX is still working.

Is it working today for you?
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: livefortechnology on July 19, 2018, 11:13:07 AM
Quote from: Taoman on July 19, 2018, 09:10:59 AM
Quote from: drgeoff on June 18, 2018, 06:16:35 AM
I know it is just a matter of time but as of 1310 GMT 18 June 2018 the GV trunk (Motif) on my Asterisk PBX is still working.

Is it working today for you?


Nope, as of today 07-19-2018, XMPP is officially dead and gone from all my many GV accounts.  I'm bummed.  So what is the process of adding a 200 series obi to the "new" GV for it to magically then appear in the list of phones/devices?  I saw the announcement from obi showing the pic of the 200's in the phone list, and assuring they would be supported by GV directly now, but no direction/details as to HOW that occurs.

EDIT: Should have clarified my several obi110's that have been ROCK SOLID for MANY years, even with the latest 3rd party oauth firmware, are apparently now paperweights unless I can figure out a way to use them with a different upstream GV SIP provider (that works now that XMPP is dead).
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: azrobert on July 19, 2018, 11:33:07 AM
Quote from: livefortechnology on July 19, 2018, 11:13:07 AM
EDIT: Should have clarified my several obi110's that have been ROCK SOLID for MANY years, even with the latest 3rd party oauth firmware, are apparently now paperweights unless I can figure out a way to use them with a different upstream GV SIP provider (that works now that XMPP is dead).

The process for adding an SIP GV trunk is the same as an XMPP GV trunk.

See for using your OBi110's:
http://www.obitalk.com/forum/index.php?topic=14451.msg92270#msg92270

You can define up to 4 GV accounts on a single OBi200.

Also:
http://www.obitalk.com/forum/index.php?topic=14463.0
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: A_Friend on July 19, 2018, 11:36:29 AM
Depending on which version of firmware is on the out-of-the-box Obi200, there are either two options, or only one.

1) Use the Obitalk portal to configure Google Voice.  This will also push the latest firmware onto the device.  This is the recommended procedure, and is pretty painless on a brand-new box.  It precludes you using (2), though.

2) If the firmware is old enough, you may be able to "upgrade" to a user-supported version of the firmware and directly get your credentials through Google.  It's complicated, though.  See the user-supported-firmware site at obifirmware.com.

Any recent version of factory firmware can not be overwritten with the user firmware.  And if you go that route, I'm not sure what happens if you ever want to register your device to use the Obitalk portal.  I mean, you'll be able to register it, but it will probably step all over your settings, overwrite your firmware and maybe force you to factory reset before you can reconfigure anything.  And, in my experience, your backup file and aa prompts may not load back without some extra work.

Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: SteveInWA on July 19, 2018, 12:42:42 PM
Quote from: Taoman on July 19, 2018, 09:10:59 AM
Quote from: drgeoff on June 18, 2018, 06:16:35 AM
I know it is just a matter of time but as of 1310 GMT 18 June 2018 the GV trunk (Motif) on my Asterisk PBX is still working.

Is it working today for you?

It was taken off life support on Friday the 13th, appropriately enough.  A job was run yesterday to purge any remaining "Google Chat" entries and related code.
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: drgeoff on July 19, 2018, 04:38:16 PM
Unexpectedly my FreePBX GV trunk (Motif) is still showing as "connected".  But any US number I dial gets the Google girl saying "We could not complete your call.  Please try again."  Even dialling my GV number does that, instead of accessing VM.

So XMPP between my PBX and GV servers is still working.  It is the onward side that has been disabled.
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: nang on July 19, 2018, 05:27:14 PM
Is there still a way to use OBI110 with GV or its brick now? I have been using  with obifirmware.com for some time.

Is there a hardware difference between OBI110 and OBI200? If not, why OBI200 would work but not OBI110 if someone develops a firmware like obifirmware.com?
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: drgeoff on July 19, 2018, 05:33:21 PM
Quote from: nang on July 19, 2018, 05:27:14 PM
Is there a hardware difference between OBI110 and OBI200? If not, why OBI200 would work but not OBI110 if someone develops a firmware like obifirmware.com?
OBi1x0 devices have MIPS processor while OBi2xx devices have ARM processor so not binary code compatible.  Also OBi1x0 devices have significantly less memory.
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: A_Friend on July 19, 2018, 05:40:46 PM
Your 110 is still useful as a SIP ATA and bridge device, so I wouldn't call it a brick or paperweight.  But, no, you can't use it with the current version of GV.  I suspect it might be something to do with memory/register size.  The credentials for GV are quite a bit bigger than for other VoIP services.  Still, the cost of paid VoIP service has come down a lot in the last few years, and some of the carriers offer awesome features and service.  There's a learning curve with anything new, but my own opinion is that it's worth it.  You might want to take a look.

Or, you could spring for a new Obi box.  Or wait.  Now that Google Voice has moved over to a SIP protocol, Obihai might not be the only game in town for that soon.  

Even if you just keep the 110 for its FXO bridge capabilities to use in conjunction with an Obi200, it's worth it.
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: nang on July 19, 2018, 05:57:25 PM
Thanks. I understand better now.
I have obifirmware.com with OAUTH on SP1 and callcentric on SP2 only for 911 purpose.

If I get free NY number from callcenteric and use that NY number as forwarding number on GV setting, would it work for all incoming calls and free?
Any way to get cheap for free outgoing?
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: Taoman on July 19, 2018, 06:03:14 PM
Quote from: nang on July 19, 2018, 05:57:25 PM

If I get free NY number from callcenteric and use that NY number as forwarding number on GV setting, would it work for all incoming calls and free?
Any way to get cheap for free outgoing?

Ha. I was just going to post that. Yes, free Callcentric DID would take care of your incoming GV calls. Plus they have free CNAM and the best tools to stop telemarketers/robodialers around.

Then just use a low cost ITSP like Circlenet for your outgoing calls and spoof your GV number. Outgoing costs would be minimal.
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: A_Friend on July 19, 2018, 07:23:46 PM
Quote from: Taoman on July 19, 2018, 06:03:14 PM

Then just use a low cost ITSP like Circlenet for your outgoing calls and spoof your GV number. Outgoing costs would be minimal.

Looking at their website, Circlenet will get probably cranky if you spoof your CID on outgoing calls.  Plus, there's a monthly charge.

If you don't mind plunking down $25 minimum to credit a prepaid account, voip.ms might be the way to go.  They're very liberal about CID spoofing, there's no monthly charge unless you want one of their DIDs, and North America is a penny a minute with no taxes or surcharges.

Also, pre-Obihai, weren't you able to use Google Voice to initiate free outbound phonecalls that would ring to your home phone, via the webpage?
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: Taoman on July 19, 2018, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: A_Friend on July 19, 2018, 07:23:46 PM

Looking at their website, Circlenet will get probably cranky if you spoof your CID on outgoing calls.  Plus, there's a monthly charge.

I'm curious what part of their website led you to that conclusion? There is nothing I see to suggest that.

Yes, they allow spoofing. No, there is no monthly charge other than outbound minutes used. And their outbound rates are a quarter of what VoIP.ms charges. I have accounts at both ITSPs.

In my view, it makes little sense to use a full featured ITSP like VoIP.ms for outbound only. VoIP.ms makes sense for incoming since you could use all their PBX features. For outbound you just need reliable and cheap. Circlenet fits that bill better than any other ITSP I'm aware of.
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: A_Friend on July 19, 2018, 08:39:59 PM
Quote from: Taoman on July 19, 2018, 07:47:29 PM
Quote from: A_Friend on July 19, 2018, 07:23:46 PM

Looking at their website, Circlenet will get probably cranky if you spoof your CID on outgoing calls.  Plus, there's a monthly charge.

I'm curious what part of their website led you to that conclusion? There is nothing I see to suggest that.

Yes, they allow spoofing. No, there is no monthly charge other than outbound minutes used. And their outbound rates are a quarter of what VoIP.ms charges.  of.

Well...  there was this line on their "Residential" page:  "No callerID spoofing, all calls on this plan must have a CircleNet LLC callerID. If your using us for outbound calling with another provider again the per-minute service is right for you."

Yeah, their rates are awesome.  I couldn't actually find where to sign up for the per-minute service, though.  All I found was the $8/month thing.

Am I on the right web page?  www.circlenet.biz
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: Taoman on July 19, 2018, 09:34:14 PM
Those plans include a DID so I've never looked at them that closely but I can see how you might think they wouldn't allow spoofing. But it's definitely allowed on outbound pay-per-minute plan. But you can't change it at will like you can with VoIP.ms. You have to send them an email and request it.

I assume you saw the Call Termination page? Just go to the BYOD Signup page and sign up. They give you free credit to try it out. It says $1.00 but I received $2.00 that I've been working on a long time. For most of my calls I get charged .0021 cents per minute or less. At that rate your dollar goes a long ways.

Since it's outbound only you don't have to register and use up a SP slot if you don't want to. I don't. I just configure a Voice Gateway and point it at my VoIP.ms SIP config.
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: azrobert on July 19, 2018, 11:46:27 PM
Quote from: Taoman on July 19, 2018, 09:34:14 PM
I can see how you might think they wouldn't allow spoofing. But it's definitely allowed on outbound pay-per-minute plan. But you can't change it at will like you can with VoIP.ms. You have to send them an email and request it.

CircleNet's new website allows you to change the callerid by yourself. Just click on the 3 horizontal lines at the top right of the dashboard. Click on Configuration then SIP Devices. You can delete, add or modify a device configuration. You can have multiple definitions with different callerid's.
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: A_Friend on July 20, 2018, 04:31:26 AM
Quote from: Taoman on July 19, 2018, 09:34:14 PM
... I assume you saw the Call Termination page? Just go to the BYOD Signup page and sign up. ...

Since it's outbound only you don't have to register and use up a SP slot if you don't want to. I don't. I just configure a Voice Gateway and point it at my VoIP.ms SIP config.

Thanks!

Sheesh, they could really use a better webpage.  That's totally non-obvious.

As for configuring and using a Voice Gateway on a single, unlinked device, the Device Admin Guide is pretty skeletal on the subject, to the point that it's hard to understand what they're doing in the single example.  Searching here on the subject "Voice gateway" gets you 37 pages of results, mostly not on what I need, which is confusing.  An external Google search was a lot better, and combined with what you just wrote, I think I'm starting to understand.

So...  If you're still reading this, can I just check my understanding?

The tricky field is "AccessNumber," right?  Everything else is pretty obvious.  So, for this purpose, you're actually using the name of the proxy server of the provider, and randomly including an SPnumber of any of your voice services that use SIP, and it doesn't matter which one?

So, for the sake of argument, let's say I'm setting up VG1.   If I have configured SIP providers on SP2, SP3, and SP4 (which I do), I could put SP4(someserver.somecompany.com) in that field.  Then, to use it in a phone call, I just need to include "vg1" in an outbound call route?  And it doesn't matter at all which SP I choose at all?

After the mind-boggling confusion of the Admin Guide, that seems almost too simple.
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: drgeoff on July 20, 2018, 05:32:28 AM
https://www.obitalk.com/forum/index.php?topic=526.0 is good reading for using Voice Gateways as additional outgoing only SPs.

The Admin Guide only covers the somewhat different originally intended use of VGs as in http://www.obitalk.com/forum/index.php?topic=371.msg2154#msg2154.

I have both modes in use.  The AA in my local OBi110 in UK uses the first mode above when calling back to my cellphone.  A remote OBi100 in Japan calls UK numbers through the OBi110 using 1-stage dialling (the second mode above).
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: Taoman on July 20, 2018, 08:06:35 AM
Quote from: azrobert on July 19, 2018, 11:46:27 PM

CircleNet's new website allows you to change the callerid by yourself. Just click on the 3 horizontal lines at the top right of the dashboard. Click on Configuration then SIP Devices. You can delete, add or modify a device configuration. You can have multiple definitions with different callerid's.

Thanks for the heads up on that. I saw that page but didn't investigate it as I'd never have a need to change my outgoing CID on Circlenet. I was just going by what Sam said to just send an email with the CID you want to use. But I could see where that feature would be useful for people.

I still just use firertc when I want to change my outgoing CID for testing purposes.
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: Taoman on July 20, 2018, 08:35:30 AM
Quote from: A_Friend on July 20, 2018, 04:31:26 AM

The tricky field is "AccessNumber," right?  Everything else is pretty obvious.  So, for this purpose, you're actually using the name of the proxy server of the provider, and randomly including an SPnumber of any of your voice services that use SIP, and it doesn't matter which one?

So, for the sake of argument, let's say I'm setting up VG1.   If I have configured SIP providers on SP2, SP3, and SP4 (which I do), I could put SP4(someserver.somecompany.com) in that field.  Then, to use it in a phone call, I just need to include "vg1" in an outbound call route?  And it doesn't matter at all which SP I choose at all?

It's pretty simple and you've got it right. Of course, the ITSP has to accept outbound calls without registration. So for instance this wouldn't work with PhonePower. But you have to edit both the Phone port digitmap and Outboundcallroute to point to a vg. Doesn't matter which sp you point at as long as it's SIP (but not GV).

Digitmap: **6(Mvg6)
Outboundcallroute: {(<**6:>(Mvg6)):vg6}

Crap. I see the forum still won't allow images to be uploaded. Here's a VG example:

Name: CircleNet
AccessNumber: SP2(sip.circlenet.biz)
DigitMap:blah blah
AuthUserID: 123456789
Password: *****************
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: nang on July 20, 2018, 03:43:02 PM
Hello Taoman and A_Friend - I have GV on SP1 and Callcentric on SP2 for 911. I am using obifirmware and Oauth configuration for GV which I believe of no use now. I want to use circlenet like you guys for my outgoing call.
Would it be better to delete GV from SP1 or use the voice gateway setup like you did? What is the advantage of one or the other?

Also would you be kind to post step by step instruction on how to setup circlenet for outgoing calls only with callcentric as incoming. I am following your comments above but kind of getting lost here. As I am using obifirmware, I can't use obitalk dashboard and have to use ip page for configuration, correct?
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: A_Friend on July 20, 2018, 09:24:17 PM
Quote from: nang on July 20, 2018, 03:43:02 PM
... post step by step instruction on how to setup circlenet for outgoing calls only with callcentric as incoming.

Yes, you log in via the "UI" (user interface) at the device's IP address to manage things.  The Admin Guide may be helpful, or it may just confuse you more.  I find it invaluable, especially after I already have some rough idea what I'm looking at.

I can't give you the whole recipe right now, but here are a few tips:

1) When you register for circlenet, write down the damned customer-website password that pops up.  They're not going to email that to you. 
2) The SIP account they set up for you is inactive.  You have to go into SIP Devices on their website and activate it.  That was driving me nuts for a bit.
3) Under "Physical Interfaces," you can set your phone's default outbound service.
4) You should also code your 911 to voip.ms into the OutboundCallRoute string.
5) You're going to need a DID for voip.ms, or it's not going to get regular PSTN calls, or forwarded calls from GoogleVoice.
6) If you don't already have a DID, it might make sense to make Circlenet your primary for everything and get their $8/month deal.

OR, consider this:
Just go buy an Obi200/202, and get your Google Voice working again and forget about Circlenet.  Or keep it.  You get four ITSPs and SPs to play with on the Obi2 series.

Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: Sam_from_CircleNet on July 21, 2018, 06:50:43 AM
Thanks for posting this, also I wanted to let Obi users that are considering us for outbound only know we're giving XMPP affected people a free DID to try for 90 days for inbound. After that the DID is $1.50 and comes with 911.
For about $5 a month you could have the whole package unless your usage is REALLY REALLY high.

Thanks
Sam

PS: yeah our website is terrible, we're great at routing calls but fall flat with web-design.
Sam
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: vtsnaab on July 21, 2018, 05:18:18 PM
And...
One of the very few REAL bargains in this world !!
(Yes - I am a happy Circlenet customer & otherwise not affiliated with that wonderful service.)
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: NerdUno on July 26, 2018, 04:52:10 PM
Quote from: SteveInWA on June 18, 2018, 06:16:21 PM
There are tens of millions of Google Voice users, so it would have to be 10 megavolt knife switch, at least.  All kidding aside, every single account needs to be touched and a whole lot of other systems need to be altered.  It's like a large city performing a major water main or sewer line replacement; first, you build out the new pipes, pumping stations, junctions, sensors, etc, then you connect the new lines, then you shut off the old lines, and abandon them, all while millions of people are using their toilets.

Pretty good analogy except the utility company doesn't typically flush millions of its customers down the toilet as part of its replacement process.
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: SteveInWA on July 26, 2018, 06:17:04 PM
Quote from: NerdUno on July 26, 2018, 04:52:10 PM
Quote from: SteveInWA on June 18, 2018, 06:16:21 PM
There are tens of millions of Google Voice users, so it would have to be 10 megavolt knife switch, at least.  All kidding aside, every single account needs to be touched and a whole lot of other systems need to be altered.  It's like a large city performing a major water main or sewer line replacement; first, you build out the new pipes, pumping stations, junctions, sensors, etc, then you connect the new lines, then you shut off the old lines, and abandon them, all while millions of people are using their toilets.

Pretty good analogy except the utility company doesn't typically flush millions of its customers down the toilet as part of its replacement process.

I'm going to guess that you are either Ward Mundy, or some other person living in an anger-filled rage against the machine, acting like Alex Jones, spewing distorted-reality rants.

There are tens of millions of active Google Voice users that simply use the service on Google's web-based and app-based platform.  There are hundreds of thousands of active users of Google Voice on current OBiTALK products.  There are probably less than a hundred assholes who will not stop whining about their beloved free SIP trunks being made harder to use.  You are the only few who Google doesn't care about.  Go get some trunks from a bare bones ITSP and STFU.
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: NerdUno on August 01, 2018, 02:00:28 PM
Quote from: SteveInWA on July 26, 2018, 06:17:04 PM
Quote from: NerdUno on July 26, 2018, 04:52:10 PM
Quote from: SteveInWA on June 18, 2018, 06:16:21 PM
There are tens of millions of Google Voice users, so it would have to be 10 megavolt knife switch, at least.  All kidding aside, every single account needs to be touched and a whole lot of other systems need to be altered.  It's like a large city performing a major water main or sewer line replacement; first, you build out the new pipes, pumping stations, junctions, sensors, etc, then you connect the new lines, then you shut off the old lines, and abandon them, all while millions of people are using their toilets.

Pretty good analogy except the utility company doesn't typically flush millions of its customers down the toilet as part of its replacement process.

I'm going to guess that you are either Ward Mundy, or some other person living in an anger-filled rage against the machine, acting like Alex Jones, spewing distorted-reality rants.

There are tens of millions of active Google Voice users that simply use the service on Google's web-based and app-based platform.  There are hundreds of thousands of active users of Google Voice on current OBiTALK products.  There are probably less than a hundred assholes who will not stop whining about their beloved free SIP trunks being made harder to use.  You are the only few who Google doesn't care about.  Go get some trunks from a bare bones ITSP and STFU.

Wow! Speaking of rants. That's quite a tirade for a level-headed guy like you, Steve.
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: LTN1 on August 01, 2018, 02:42:16 PM
Not a rant by SteveInWA. Just an appropriate response to a wacko conspiracy nut with a shit sense of entitlement from Google--who has no legal obligations to provide anything for free.

I echo Steve's response in saying, "Go get some trunks from a bare bones ITSP and STFU."
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: SteveInWA on August 01, 2018, 06:13:48 PM
In fact, I will PAY you $10 toward your SIP trunking needs, if you promise to go away and never come back, and to stop bitching about Google.

Just post a paypal.me address.
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: A_Friend on August 03, 2018, 06:36:04 AM
This is all very entertaining, but I'm running out of popcorn.

Look, there are a zillion places we can go now on the 'net to see people yelling at (and personally abusing) each other and/or get our blood pressure into the danger zone.  Wouldn't it be nice if we could all calm down a bit (and I'm not excluding myself) and make this a pleasant place to TRY to help each other?

If someone is irritating you for some reason, maybe it's better to just ignore them than try to one-up them/defend your honor/whatever.  (Yes, I AM guilty of this myself, but I'll try to be better.)

Calm.
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: SteveInWA on August 03, 2018, 02:11:02 PM
So, I guess $10 wasn't enough.  How about $20?  That'll get you four thousand minutes of calling with Circlenet.
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: LTN1 on August 03, 2018, 02:25:31 PM
That's pretty generous, Steve. At Localphone, one of my service providers, $20 would get you 5,000 minutes per month for 4 consecutive months--or 800 minutes per month for over 12 months.

https://www.localphone.com/prices/monthly_subscription/US_ML_5000

https://www.localphone.com/prices/monthly_subscription/US_ML_800
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: NerdUno on August 04, 2018, 05:45:30 AM
With all the good PR that the two of you are generating for Plantronics and Polycom, twenty bucks just doesn't seem quite adequate. Not to be greedy, but how about a new car? I'll even promise to throw away all of my OBi devices.
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: A_Friend on August 04, 2018, 09:07:50 AM
Quote from: NerdUno on August 04, 2018, 05:45:30 AM
I'll even promise to throw away all of my OBi devices.

Why would you do that??  The Obi devices are pretty awesome, even without the frosting-on-top which is the ability to use Google Voice.

While I'm a pretty happy user of GV, its back end falls far behind the web-based management and configuration capabilities of services like voip.ms and Callcentric, which are literal Swiss Army Knives for building a virtual PBX.  And using two or more of them, with an Obi device to tie it all together and add a few more frills, you can't beat that (and no, I'm not talking about price -- you have to pay at least something, although it's still lots less than a telco POTS line).

So, for all the grief which is the Obitalk Portal, and which you don't need except for GV, I still think the Obi202, etc., is a must-have.  I just need Plantronics to not screw it up.
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: SteveInWA on August 04, 2018, 07:44:35 PM
Quote from: NerdUno on August 04, 2018, 05:45:30 AM
With all the good PR that the two of you are generating for Plantronics and Polycom, twenty bucks just doesn't seem quite adequate. Not to be greedy, but how about a new car? I'll even promise to throw away all of my OBi devices.

With all the insane conspiracy theories and outrageous exaggerations you generate, plus endless narcissistic self-promotion of your PBX software, perhaps you should apply to be Alex Jones' assistant.

Dude, this IS the Polycom support forum.  We discuss Polycom products here, not whether your PBX will work with Google Voice.

When even the developer of Asterisk Core says that SIP trunking is so cheap that it isn't worth the effort to futz with Google Voice, your credibility is in the toilet.  Just go away.
Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: NerdUno on August 05, 2018, 06:04:56 AM
Quote from: SteveInWA on August 04, 2018, 07:44:35 PM
Quote from: NerdUno on August 04, 2018, 05:45:30 AM
With all the good PR that the two of you are generating for Plantronics and Polycom, twenty bucks just doesn't seem quite adequate. Not to be greedy, but how about a new car? I'll even promise to throw away all of my OBi devices.

With all the insane conspiracy theories and outrageous exaggerations you generate, plus endless narcissistic self-promotion of your PBX software, perhaps you should apply to be Alex Jones' assistant.

Dude, this IS the Polycom support forum.  We discuss Polycom products here, not whether your PBX will work with Google Voice.

When even the developer of Asterisk Core says that SIP trunking is so cheap that it isn't worth the effort to futz with Google Voice, your credibility is in the toilet.  Just go away.

Funny that you seem to be fixated on Alex Jones and bathroom analogies. Wonder why? Google Voice works fine with Asterisk and Incredible PBX (free) products. Can't blame you for the personal attacks though. Sure beats addressing the boatload of unresolved Google Voice issues that (paying) OBi users are facing. Need a list of today's hot topics on your own forum?

Title: Re: XMPP turn-off by GV
Post by: LTN1 on August 05, 2018, 07:06:41 AM
This is the Obihai forum for OBi devices. Though Polycom now owns Obihai Technology, the devices are still under Obihai.

If you want Polycom forums, go here and rant: https://community.polycom.com/t5/Support-Community/ct-p/Support_Community