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I'm using more than one GV number with Obi202 and thus far, as of 6:30 AM ET U.S., all lines continue to work - both inbound and outbound calls.

Any others using GV with lines still working (inbound and outbound calls)?

Just curious.

justgrant

Yes, still works!  :)

Is there a possibility that it will work indefinitely?

 ::) Still works for me!  What a disappointment!  ;D Maybe it will get phased out gradually or maybe this is another one of Google's surprises.

Obviously someone forgot to pull the plug, they will tough...

I've been thinking it might not happen until they get to work(main headquarters) at around 9PDT.  Everything still working here but I don't hold out much hope.  My incoming calls bypass XMPP just in case. ;)

Theory number 2 they pull they plug slowly.  A server at a time. 

Working like a charm.  False alarm, maybe this was just an attempt to thin out the herd by Google?

I wouldn't call it a false alarm until at least 1pm EST.  That gives them time to get into the office, eat some doughnuts, drink a little coffee, and then pull the plug. 

Quote from: giqcass on May 16, 2014, 06:39:26 AM
I wouldn't call it a false alarm until at least 1pm EST.  That gives them time to get into the office, eat some doughnuts, drink a little coffee, and then pull the plug. 

I can't understand where people get the idea that GV will not work on OBI ATAs beyond May 15, 2014.  All information stated that it will not be "supported" beyond that date.  I have not made any backup plans because it is not clear to me that GV and OBi Device might continue to work for a very long time.  There is no guarantee that the Handout technology might even work the way it should, leaving the old method in tact.

Wow - a lot of (mis)information here.

So far I've read dozens of articles and forum posts declaring the death of XMPP and not one person has posted a link to anything official from Google.

If someone has a link directly to a Google page that indicates the proposed change(s) for May 15, I'd really like to see it.

Otherwise, this is all uninformed speculation, particularly since my Obi is connecting perfectly as of today.

Wow - a lot of (mis)information here . . . spoken by someone whom clearly prefers to inflame an issue versus research the issue for him/herself . . . accordingly, I find this post worthless.

Most OBi users are aware of OBihai's email which detailed . . . http://blog.obihai.com/2013/10/important-message-about-google-voice.html

It seems reasonable to allow "whoit" an opportunity to show us all if he/she can post comments worth reading instead of worth-less.

I have 4 GV numbers and also use an OBi202 and as of 8:30 AM Pacific Time all lines are currently working.

Ciao,

Martin

"martinsmithson" - Thank you for so graciously allowing me to post here. Your kindness and generosity is second to none, and clearly I should be thanking my lucky stars that someone like you has taken it upon themselves to shine their beacon upon someone as worthless as myself. I am ashamed and humbled before your obvious greatness. All hail "martinsmithson" for he is truly worthy of the honor of Forum God!

Quote from: whoit on May 16, 2014, 07:39:24 AM
Wow - a lot of (mis)information here.

So far I've read dozens of articles and forum posts declaring the death of XMPP and not one person has posted a link to anything official from Google.

If someone has a link directly to a Google page that indicates the proposed change(s) for May 15, I'd really like to see it.

Otherwise, this is all uninformed speculation, particularly since my Obi is connecting perfectly as of today.

I must admit I was skeptical of the above comment. I went searching for myself and came up with practically nothing official from Google.

I did transition, going with what Obihai has stated regarding today's alleged cutoff.

There is this from a Google employee:

https://plus.google.com/+NikhylSinghal/posts/MjyncJEbzxK

"- Finally, we want to make Google Voice as secure as possible. There are a few third-party applications that provide calling and SMS services by making unauthorized use of Google Voice. These apps violate our Terms of Service and pose a threat to your security, so we're notifying these app developers that they must stop making unauthorized use of Google Voice to run their services and transition users by May 15, 2014."

Still, that is not a definitive official statement that GV would be cutting off XMPP on the 15th.

aopisa - my point exactly. Several posts and articles (including the referenced Obi email) make it seem that on May 15 (perhaps at the stroke of midnight!) Obi would cease to function with GV/XMPP. However, articles all over the net, since the initial announcement fail to be explicit about this and I can't find a single Google page that specifically addresses this.

There are a lot of interviews with Google people that I've read but they none are specific about when/if XMPP server access will be shutdown. Only that they're not supporting it, which could mean anything. The fact that it is working today reinforces the idea that they will simply let it dwindle instead of 'turning it off'. In that case it could be active for years (like Windows XP!).

Hopefully someone here will find some definitive evidence from Google.

Otherwise I am beginning to think that I may have jumped ship too soon based on hive mentality.

As of 11:40am CDT here, I still can use GV + Obi.  I thought after 12:01am on 5/15/2014, this would be gone!  Now, almost one and a half day now, it is still working like before.  I checked most of the replacement options, but I didn't make up my mind.  Now, I am glad I haven't.  I will keep using GV+Obi until it dies  ;D

BTW, Groove IP on android forced me to change to RingTo.  No more GV with Groove IP.

Quote from: cdcooker on May 16, 2014, 09:41:15 AMBTW, Groove IP on android forced me to change to RingTo.  No more GV with Groove IP.

yep, but you can forward GV to the Ring.To number. Groove IP is not working 100% now but it will take some time.

How do I switch back to GV? I did OBI100 with GV steps,not working

Quote from: LeoKing on May 16, 2014, 10:02:58 AM

Quote from: cdcooker on May 16, 2014, 09:41:15 AMBTW, Groove IP on android forced me to change to RingTo.  No more GV with Groove IP.

yep, but you can forward GV to the Ring.To number. Groove IP is not working 100% now but it will take some time.

How about out going call from Ring.To thru Groove IP?  Will it show GV # or Ring.To #?

Quote from: cdcooker on May 16, 2014, 01:19:11 PM

Quote from: LeoKing on May 16, 2014, 10:02:58 AM

Quote from: cdcooker on May 16, 2014, 09:41:15 AMBTW, Groove IP on android forced me to change to RingTo.  No more GV with Groove IP.

yep, but you can forward GV to the Ring.To number. Groove IP is not working 100% now but it will take some time.

How about out going call from Ring.To thru Groove IP?  Will it show GV # or Ring.To #?

I believe Ring.To and the Groove IP developers are working on the GV outgoing CID & the SMS via Groove IP and they will have these features on the app in the future updates.

I just deleted PP from the Obi and reset it to activate Google Voice and, knock on wood, it is working just like before.  I can call out and the phone rings when someone calls me ....  Which it never did with PP.  After reading a lot of these posts, I, too, became skeptical of this whole, May 15th thing.....  I am happy there is this forum on OBI ... ,thank you.    PS. I also called PP to cancel their service and they were very nice about refunding my payment.

I wonder if anyone at Obi ever actually confirmed May 15 with Google?  I have searched and not found any evidence of Google ever saying they were going to shut anything down on that date. They did state unauthorized use by app developers needs to terminate on May 15, 2014 and users need to be transitioned. Obi may have misled their customers to stay out of trouble with Google by saying that "Unfortunately, you will no longer be able to use the Google Voice communication service to make calls using the phone connected to your OBi device.  Also, the ability to receive calls to your Google Voice number, directly from Google's service, will not be possible."

If this is the case, I am not happy for being expected to read between the lines. I never had a problem with GV and I am not entirely happy with Vestalink. Who knows how long they will be around? I ported my number because I was having forwarding problems.

It's 2 PM PST and my 2 obi 100 and GV still working.  I've started the port of one of the numbers over to Phone Power just in case.

I was one of those who jumped on the "wait and see" bandwagon regarding GV use on my OBi product rather than start porting to another provider and alas, looks like my patience paid off! My GV number is still working thru OBi, I can make and receive calls with no problems.  On a side note, my GVoice Callback android app has been working great on my smartphone all day, which I believe also uses XMPP.  

Hopefully I can continue with my free lunch like this...................forever

I envision it as...

The ship is sinking and the Captain said "everyone to the lifeboats in the next 20 minutes".

At the end of 20 minutes, people are still filling lifeboats, so he waits to pull the plug on the bottom of the boat (to let it finally sink) because people are abandoning ship as he asked.

Just give it time.

Google is waiting until 100 more newbies register here and each start a thread on this same topic because they fail to read all the other threads about this. ::)

Google has yet to roll out the Hangouts update for Android that has VOIP calling. iOS got VOIP calling first Months ago.

So my guess is that a snag in the update of Hangouts for Android has happened which is why XMPP is still on.

They are also merging the Google Voice app into Hangouts app as well. So Google Voice will be a feature of Hangouts. Which should be easier for them to add updates and such.

Hopefully it's better as G-Voice does have some annoying things right now.

- Like not being able to record new Greetings over it's own VOIP. it will beep to record a message but the greeting doesn't record.

- Setting custom Greetings for contacts only works when they call then you can click on there name and set it up. You cannot simply set this in Contacts as G-voice and Contacts aren't fully merged.

- Also being able to set Call Screening per phone number would be nice.

- Setting number of rings before going to Voicemail.

Some examples.... Maybe this will be handled once G-Voice merges with Hangouts.... Well see....

The only failures which seem to be visible here may just be=>

QuoteGoogle is waiting until 100 more newbies register here and each start a thread on this same topic because they fail to read all the other threads about this.

1. The user seems to disregard diversity in that people DO think & express things differently;
2. Failing to see that snarky, hyper-critical & unhelpful replies serve zero purposes;
3. And finally, a failure to see that pointing out other's failures is a waste of bandwidth (if that matters...)
((Which is what this reply just did in an almost equally useless fashion - so, what good is silliness after all ?!?))

Of course it may also ALL merely be attempts at good humour - which does serve a purpose when done kindly.
(But sometimes that is hard to know...)

Quote from: justgrant on May 16, 2014, 03:27:25 AM
I'm using more than one GV number with Obi202 and thus far, as of 6:30 AM ET U.S., all lines continue to work - both inbound and outbound calls.

Any others using GV with lines still working (inbound and outbound calls)?

Just curious.

justgrant

UPDATED

...with Obi202 and as of 8:50 AM ET U.S., all lines continue to work - both inbound and outbound calls.

justgrant

Same here. Still working fine.  I ported my Time Warner Cable # to Anveo in preparation for May 15th, but GV still working with OBI 202 just fine on May 17th !

Until Hangouts gets updated for Android then XMPP calling will get disabled is my guess?

iOS has native VOIP calling with Hangouts but not Android users.

For those looking for official word from Google: https://plus.google.com/+NikhylSinghal/posts/MjyncJEbzxK

There is also a new Telephone API from Hangouts too: https://developers.google.com/+/hangouts/telephone-oauth ;)

Quote from: Crow550 on May 17, 2014, 02:00:12 PM
There is also a new Telephone API from Hangouts too: https://developers.google.com/+/hangouts/telephone-oauth ;)

I don't understand why Obi can't release a new firmware to adopt this new API. Is it even possible? Any technical barriers? Can you Obi??

It kinda just came out of nowhere. I found it while reading the comments on the G+ post that I posted. Looks like it was added on the 15th. Even some of the commentors are pointing out that it's new.

So my guess is 3rd Parties don't yet know of it. I did make a separate thread on this too.

So feel free to contact Obihai, GrooveIP and Talkatone and such directly on this subject to let them know.

I suspect that the whole thing was because of GV not having 911. The keyword that leads me to that conclusion is "unsafe" used in the google blog post. Nanny state strikes again.

Quote from: vadr on May 17, 2014, 06:31:52 PM
I suspect that the whole thing was because of GV not having 911. The keyword that leads me to that conclusion is "unsafe" used in the google blog post. Nanny state strikes again.

No. VOIP is not legally required to have E911. I don't think Skype even offers it.

What was unsafe was that 3rd Parties were using the XMPP method as a hack which made VOIP calling beyond G-Chat possible.

Now Google is offering real official 3rd Party support. ;)

They could offer E911? It's too soon to tell what exactly is going on. There are services that do offer E911 too.

All we can assume is that Google will have some updates soon on what all updates is coming to G-Voice. :)

> No. VOIP is not legally required to have E911

It already does not matter that much what is legal. See this story for comparison:

http://www.dailybell.com/editorials/35306/Wendy-McElroy-First-They-Came-For-The-Porn-Stars/

"The DOJ is targeting banks and payment companies, such as PayPal, with a tsunami of subpoenas and other expensive legal demands. The demands go away if the institutions refuse to do business with people whose activities are deemed "objectionable" although they are legal. The DOJ is imposing its own moral criteria on who can participate in the market place."

Quote from: vtsnaab on May 16, 2014, 06:11:58 PM
The only failures which seem to be visible here may just be=>

QuoteGoogle is waiting until 100 more newbies register here and each start a thread on this same topic because they fail to read all the other threads about this.

1. The user seems to disregard diversity in that people DO think & express things differently;

Of course it may also ALL merely be attempts at good humour - which does serve a purpose when done kindly.
(But sometimes that is hard to know...)

MikePA didn't say anything about making new posts. He commented on making new threads with essentially the same subject. I would think there was some humor in it as well.

Quote from: Crow550 on May 17, 2014, 08:07:42 PM
No. VOIP is not legally required to have E911. I don't think Skype even offers it.

According to the FCC they do if they are Interconnected Voip services in the US and users may not opt out.  Services like Google Voice are hiding behind the guise of being a forwarding service so they don't have to comply.  They spent quite a bit of $$$ defending that position.  Skype seems to be taking the stance that they don't actually replace a telphone because their service was not designed to connect to a telephone.  Other companies are outside the US.  Callcentric allows you to say you will be using the service from outside the US.  Ring.to seems to plan to force the user to get their own 911 when using an Obi.  MagicJack is giving 911 to all customers and attempting to collect recovery fees.  They warn that customers that don't pay the recovery fees may be liable for those fees at a later date.  They also make it sound as if additional fees may come down the line if they don't pay up before they use 911.  
http://www.fcc.gov/guides/voip-and-911-service

QuoteAll interconnected VoIP providers must automatically provide 911 service to all their customers as a standard, mandatory feature without customers having to specifically request this service. VoIP providers may not allow their customers to "opt-out" of 911 service.

What is the Interconnected VoIP Service?

QuoteInterconnected VoIP service allows you to make and receive calls to and from traditional phone numbers using an Internet connection, possibly a high-speed (broadband) Internet connection, such as Digital Subscriber Line (DSL), cable modem, or wireless broadband. It can be used in place of traditional phone service. Typically, interconnected VoIP technology works by either placing an adapter between a traditional phone and Internet connection, or by using a special VoIP phone that connects directly to your computer or Internet connection. While you may choose to use interconnected VoIP service from a single location, like a residence, some interconnected VoIP services can be used wherever you travel, as long as a broadband Internet connection is available. Companies offering interconnected VoIP service call it by a number of different brand names. To find out more about VoIP service, see the FCC's VoIP consumer guide (http://www.fcc.gov/guides/voice-over-internet-protocol-voip).

UPDATED 18 MAY 2014

...with Obi202 and as of 7:05 AM ET U.S., all lines continue to work - both inbound and outbound calls.

justgrant

Quote from: Rulo on May 17, 2014, 06:18:32 PM

I don't understand why Obi can't release a new firmware to adopt this new API. Is it even possible? Any technical barriers? Can you Obi??

I am equally curious, Rulo.  GREAT QUESTION!!

Doubt we will get an answer here, however, and because we may get more perspective with its' own thread, I will create a new one for us both.

justgrant

Here it is on Sunday morning the 18th of May, and my OBi110 is still doing just fine with Google Voice.
Calls are functioning both ways as normal. 
I'll stick with FREE GV until the bitter end, and then make my choices regarding current alternatives to continue with my OBi.
I LOVE FREE!
TW

Quote from: Lester on May 18, 2014, 08:58:52 AM
Here it is on Sunday morning the 18th of May, and my OBi110 is still doing just fine with Google Voice.
Calls are functioning both ways as normal. 
I'll stick with FREE GV until the bitter end, and then make my choices regarding current alternatives to continue with my OBi.
I LOVE FREE!
TW

here's a man with ideals and aspirations that we should all strive for. I'm not being sarcastic, Lester your my hero!

Everything is still working fine with my Obi and GV as of this post! I'm glad I held off.

Maybe they will still disconnect it, but as long as it's working, I'm chillin'!

Back in the day when GV was in beta and closed to users other than beta testers, the question was always asked, "When will it be open to new signups/users?" The answer from GV was "Soon", soon turned out to be more than a year and a half later. So after May 15 is when?  Soon?  Deja Vu?

Edit: Obihai must have read this post (prior to) based on their recent email to members.  History seems to repeat its self.  :D

Well here it is 3 days after my first post on this thread, and after being chided by a few other members, there is still no definitive word from Google about the future of GV/XMPP or a response from Obihai.
"No longer supporting" is not definitive, nor is it a date.

Same as with everyone else, my Obi continues to work with GV.
Also same as many others, I'll not be switching to another service until it dies.

I'm still hoping someone is able to find specific details from Google, or for that matter Obihai, as to when this will no longer work so that I and others can plan ahead.

I don't think I'm asking for much here - just the truth.
(OK, maybe that is asking for a lot considering the level of corporate deception in this country....)

Are you guys saying the 60 bucks I spent that broke me for life was a waste of money  ;D   Well one thing.  I'm glad I've got 911 support now.  This always made me uncomfortable not having 911 with GV.  I'm really liking PP.  It has a lot better response than GV has. No Latency at all with PP.  Oh well, I have to put the new Ferrari on the back burner for now  :P

Quote from: whoit on May 19, 2014, 06:11:53 AM
Well here it is 3 days after my first post on this thread, and after being chided by a few other members, there is still no definitive word from Google about the future of GV/XMPP or a response from Obihai.
"No longer supporting" is not definitive, nor is it a date.
SNIP SNIP SNIP

It seems reasonable to conclude that whoit is not on OBihai's mailing list.

It is currently 13:40 UTC, which means this email was received at 9:05 PM Eastern Time U.S., approximately 12 hours prior to the distinguished whoit's post (noted above).

Truncated for brevity (removing their promotion of OBiTALK Approved Service Providers), OBihai's email reads . . .

BEGIN OBihai EMAIL

---- Original Message -----
From: Obihai Technology <info@obihai.com>
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 01:05:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: OBiTALK Updates: Google Voice Transition + New Services Available to OBi Device Owners

The Google Voice Service is Still Working on My OBi! How come?
--------------------------------------------------------------------

At the end of last year, Google Inc. announced that the open and documented XMPP communication protocol would be abandoned in favor of a new, proprietary way to do real-time voice, video and instant messaging communications. The time-line for the migration to this new way was not stated.

At about the same time, but separately, Google stated third-party applications should stop supporting XMPP by May 15th 2014. Now that this date has passed, like you, we have observed Google services using XMPP are still connected and working, e.g. you can still place and receive calls using a Gmail account configured on your Obi device. It is important to note, this does not change the previous statements from Obihai that we no longer support direct connections to Google Voice on OBi devices. We strongly recommend all OBi owners using the Google Voice service obtain a new service to ensure continued, uninterrupted calling from the phone connected to the OBi.

Fortunately, there are several OBiTALK Approved Service Provider (ASP) choices available to all OBi device owners for Internet VoIP phone services. These services are easy to sign-up for and configure automatically on an OBi device. They also come at a great price – with all fees and taxes included.

END OBihai EMAIL

As of 9:40 AM Eastern Time, all 4 of my GV lines are working.

justgrant

justgrant - I guess I'm not on Obihai's email list because I have not seen the email you posted.

So thanks for posting it.

Let point out however, that:
1) Still no dates
2) Still no direct Google link describing dates or specific 'shut off', only a push to other paid services.
3) Why do you have to be so freaking snarky? ("distinguished" ?)

Google is notorious for this kind of thing.

You seem mad that you're getting a few extra days of FREE phone service. Just be happy about it, and when you go to use your phone and it doesn't work, don't be upset you didn't just bite the bullet and switch providers.

No, I'm not angry at having GV still working.

Perhaps you and a few others don't mind jumping as soon as Obihai yells 'fire', but I'd
prefer to smell some smoke or or see a flame first.
Or perhaps you live your life without any kind of planning - maybe you blindly follow others and never question anything - I have no idea who you are or what you do.
But to imply I'm "mad" because the service still works is ridiculous.
I am trying to plan ahead, which is difficult when there is no specific information.

I believe a cursory reading of this and other threads will show you that many others would also
like to know exactly what will happen and when.

I have no intention of switching providers.
I can still use GV to send calls to any other number/device that I can register, so it's not a problem.

Feel free to bite the bullet yourself, however.

You're reading way too into things. ObiHAI isn't exactly selling VOIP service themselves, they're selling powerful hardware that lets you use a large variety of voice services, many of which are still free. If you're looking for a conspiracy, and it sounds like you are, I'm sure you'll find one.

Many of us are just happy we had free home phone for a while through an unapproved hack of gv. 60 bucks for unlimited home phone for a year, through a provider that will actually offer support, is hardly going to break me.

I'm just super happy obihai sent me those special pills to ease my mind and make me willing to blow an hours worth of wages on home phone for a whole year. Thank you obihair overlords! I accept you with open arms!

I bought a used obi100 of eBay for my parents awhile back & just configured SP1&2 back to our two GV accounts.
I pulled my original obi100 that was partially setup for CC & CN offline  & stuck it back in the box.
What a Chinese fire drill.  ::) ;D

whoit says,

"I'm still hoping someone is able to find specific details from Google, or for that matter Obihai, as to when this will no longer work so that I and others can plan ahead."

This is as specific as it gets, soon! 

Quote from: whoit on May 19, 2014, 07:08:01 AM

I am trying to plan ahead, which is difficult when there is no specific information.

Not having an exact end date for Google Voice via XMPP doesn't prevent you from planning ahead. I put multiple solutions in place and verified they work back in October when all this got started.

Why wait till it breaks to fix it?

Quote from: gderf on May 19, 2014, 09:28:46 AM

Quote from: whoit on May 19, 2014, 07:08:01 AM

I am trying to plan ahead, which is difficult when there is no specific information.

Not having an exact end date for Google Voice via XMPP doesn't prevent you from planning ahead. I put multiple solutions in place and verified they work back in October when all this got started.

Why wait till it breaks to fix it?

Any why post every day "it's still working!".   ;)

This reminds me of an old cartoon:

A guy with a gas can is walking across the desert and the sign says: NEXT GAS 20 MILES.

Seems the gas gauge kept saying EMPTY but the car was still drivable...

I had one of the estimated circa 35,000 original UK TiVo boxes.  I chose to pay the upfront one-off £200 lifetime subscription rather than the ongoing £10 per month.

TiVo never put their heart and soul into the UK side of their business.  Possibly their appointment of Sky had been a bad decision as Sky soon launched and actively promoted their own twin tuner satellite receiver cum hard disk recorder.  The UK TiVo was nothing more than a rejigged version of the first US TiVos.  However the service worked reliably enough for its ardent band of users who found the TiVo UI much better than the Sky one.

Some years later, TiVo announced a new exclusive deal with the UK's major (by a long way) cable network.  A new box able to receive and record programmes from the cable network and featuring the famed TiVo UI.  But the 'exclusive' part of the deal meant that all existing TiVo boxes would cease receiving the EPG updates from a certain date.  A sweetener in the way of early access to and a discount on the new service was offered to existing owners but a very significant portion of those could not get cable service even if they wanted to.

There were many protests directed to TiVo US but they seemed to fall on deaf ears.  The due date for end of EPG updates came and went but the updates kept coming.  Had TiVo had a change of heart?

No, the updates did stop about two weeks after the publicised cut off date.

However the story does not have a completely sad ending.  A bunch of clever people figured out how to set up their own EPG server.  It was fairly easy to change a field in the TiVo's config pages to point to that server.  Many people including myself are still using it.

Quote from: Lavarock7 on May 19, 2014, 10:58:49 AM
This reminds me of an old cartoon:

A guy with a gas can is walking across the desert and the sign says: NEXT GAS 20 MILES.

Seems the gas gauge kept saying EMPTY but the car was still drivable...

Yep, that was me in my Ferrari  ;)

I am very grateful for the YEARS of free phone usage courtesy of the Big G and Obihai's very affordable little box.

At the very same time, my GV number DID become my main point of contact for most of the folks I stay in contact with.

Though I am not eager to change my 'main' number - this is exactly what I will do because trying to plan ahead is quite impossible with no specific information regarding when the Obi/GV combo will die.

So...I'll keep using it until it does die and have made multiple solutions ready for when that time comes.

I am also very grateful to see folks posting every day that it's still working for them - as this can reveal much about any failure pattern (if/when one should emerge), and after all - this IS all about communication, so it's ALL GOOD !!

Quote from: Pepi on May 19, 2014, 06:31:43 AM
I'm glad I've got 911 support now.

Don't you have a cellphone?

Nope

Quote from: vadr on May 19, 2014, 05:01:34 PM

Quote from: Pepi on May 19, 2014, 06:31:43 AM
I'm glad I've got 911 support now.

Don't you have a cellphone?

A cellphone does not give you e911 service. It will not give emergency services your exact address. In the event that the person calling cannot speak or does not know the address can cause potentially devastating and life threatening effects.

Quote from: aopisa on May 19, 2014, 06:17:44 PM
A cellphone does not give you e911 service. It will not give emergency services your exact address. In the event that the person calling cannot speak or does not know the address can cause potentially devastating and life threatening effects.

It'd give them more than enough.
GPS and/or cellphone triangulation are used to determine a 911 callers location.
If you live in a single story building, they know exactly where you are.
If you live in a multistory building, they will knock until they find you.

If you cannot speak and you have a 911 call going they will dispatch and they will find the phone that has 911 dialed.
Course if you cannot speak, what caused you to be unable to speak yet capable of dialing 911?

Devastating and life threatening effects?
I don't know where you live but I've never seen a police arrive early enough to actually stop anything.
They just press charges after the fact.

If you are incapable of speaking due to medical reasons, it's probably too late for you anyways.

Quote from: 7Priest7 on May 19, 2014, 07:21:30 PM

Quote from: aopisa on May 19, 2014, 06:17:44 PM
A cellphone does not give you e911 service. It will not give emergency services your exact address. In the event that the person calling cannot speak or does not know the address can cause potentially devastating and life threatening effects.

It'd give them more than enough.
GPS and/or cellphone triangulation are used to determine a 911 callers location.
If you live in a single story building, they know exactly where you are.
If you live in a multistory building, they will knock until they find you.

If you cannot speak and you have a 911 call going they will dispatch and they will find the phone that has 911 dialed.
Course if you cannot speak, what caused you to be unable to speak yet capable of dialing 911?

Devastating and life threatening effects?
I don't know where you live but I've never seen a police arrive early enough to actually stop anything.
They just press charges after the fact.

If you are incapable of speaking due to medical reasons, it's probably too late for you anyways.

Wow, some really dumb generalizations there.
A heart attack. A stroke. Losing consciousness after you dial. Yeah, I guess I would just rather die in those situations since obviously nothing can be done to intervene at that point.
Go ahead and roll dice with your life or the life of a loved one while the paramedics knock on every door of a multi unit building where seconds may count.
I hope you never need attention for the things you so glibly glossed over.
Your right, it's not worth the .80/ month that Anveo charges for e911.

Quote from: aopisa on May 19, 2014, 07:36:01 PM
A heart attack. A stroke. Losing consciousness after you dial.

If you are so concerned about these things happening to you, perhaps you should get life alert or something more serious than just e911.
Both heart attacks and strokes are very avoidable.
Both these fatal illnesses can be easily avoided by having a healthy weight, regular exercise, and a healthy diet.
Have faith friend, you can free yourself from your fear with a little prevention.

Police Dispatchers will always ask your location if you can talk.
If calling for a family member, you will not be advantaged by having proper e911.

As of 7:30 AM Eastern Time U.S. on 20 May 2014, with OBi202, all of my GV lines are still working.

justgrant

Quote from: 7Priest7 on May 19, 2014, 11:14:43 PM

Quote from: aopisa on May 19, 2014, 07:36:01 PM
A heart attack. A stroke. Losing consciousness after you dial.

If you are so concerned about these things happening to you, perhaps you should get life alert or something more serious than just e911.
Both heart attacks and strokes are very avoidable.
Both these fatal illnesses can be easily avoided by having a healthy weight, regular exercise, and a healthy diet.
Have faith friend, you can free yourself from your fear with a little prevention.

Police Dispatchers will always ask your location if you can talk.
If calling for a family member, you will not be advantaged by having proper e911.

You are correct! It sounds like you have thought of every conceivable type of emergency.

A simple change of diet and being more careful is all it takes. I have already increased the amount of servings of fruits and vegetables that I am eating on a daily basis based on your research.

A few years ago my house was struck by lightening and a fire started. The lightening blew out the phone lines. I called 911 from my cell. I lived on Deer Run Road. The fire department went to White Tail Lane. Close enough, right? Same animal. Took them an extra 30 minutes to get there. Triangulation worked great! Human error? No problem!

E911 is a stupid worthless system. Thanks for opening my eyes.

This thread is starting to sound like Washington  ;D

Quote from: vtsnaab on May 19, 2014, 11:52:23 AM
At the very same time, my GV number DID become my main point of contact for most of the folks I stay in contact with.

Though I am not eager to change my 'main' number - this is exactly what I will do because trying to plan ahead is quite impossible with no specific information regarding when the Obi/GV combo will die.

I hesitate to post in this nonsensical discussion, but for others that may get confused from incorrect information, I will make the point that you do NOT need to give up your GV number.  There are two options:  1) Forward the GV number to another service (I'm doing that now) and 2) Port the number to another service.

Quote from: aopisa on May 20, 2014, 04:39:06 AM
You are correct! It sounds like you have thought of every conceivable type of emergency.

I know of no emergency that would allow me to dial 911 yet prevent me from stating my location.
I'm healthy and not at risk for the two health related emergencies you listed.

Nothing about a fire would prevent me from talking.
I once had a house fire, I escorted my pets outside, proceeded to drown the fire with my dogs water bucket and the faucet, then called the non-emergency number. The time it would've took me to call 911 and wait for a fire truck to arrive, would've meant the house would no longer be there.

Quote from: 7Priest7 on May 20, 2014, 09:25:42 AM

Quote from: aopisa on May 20, 2014, 04:39:06 AM
You are correct! It sounds like you have thought of every conceivable type of emergency.

I know of no emergency that would allow me to dial 911 yet prevent me from stating my location.
I'm healthy and not at risk for the two health related emergencies you listed.

Nothing about a fire would prevent me from talking.
I once had a house fire, I escorted my pets outside, proceeded to drown the fire with my dogs water bucket and the faucet, then called the non-emergency number. The time it would've took me to call 911 and wait for a fire truck to arrive, would've meant the house would no longer be there.

Anyone with common sense knows you dial the fire department, THEN consider fighting the fire.  You were very lucky.

Quote from: aopisa on May 19, 2014, 07:36:01 PM
A heart attack. A stroke. Losing consciousness after you dial.

If you think that 911 will actually rush to timely save your life... you must be young.

Here's some material that perhaps will open your eyes a little. You can google these headlines, so you have a better perspective of the possible consequences of your contacting 911.


Wichita Police Officer Orders Grandmother to Stop CPR on Drowned Boy Despite Alleged Signs of Recovery — The Boy Dies

CHARLESTON, WV –  The American Civil Liberties Union today filed a federal discrimination lawsuit on behalf of the surviving family members of a Welch man who died of a heart attack after the police chief physically prevented his friend from performing CPR.  The police chief blocked the CPR because he falsely assumed that the man, who was gay, was HIV positive and therefore a health risk.

Just Dial 911? The Myth of Police Protection

Woman Calls 911 For Diabetic Fiance, Police Shoot And Kill Man Upon Arrival

"Also, 911 tapes were released that show the teen was calm and things under control for 10 minutes but then the boy was shot about 1 minute after a police officer from Southport showed up on the scene."

Deadly 911 Calls: NYPD Kills African Immigrant Student Inside Home After Mother Calls for Ambulance

She Calls 911 to Help Fiance; Cops Kill Him

Father dies after police stop daughter's CPR

Do you work for the National Enquirer?

Quote from: vadr on May 20, 2014, 11:14:32 AM

Quote from: aopisa on May 19, 2014, 07:36:01 PM
A heart attack. A stroke. Losing consciousness after you dial.

If you think that 911 will actually rush to timely save your life... you must be young.

Here's some material that perhaps will open your eyes a little. You can google these headlines, so you have a better perspective of the possible consequences of your contacting 911.


Wichita Police Officer Orders Grandmother to Stop CPR on Drowned Boy Despite Alleged Signs of Recovery — The Boy Dies

CHARLESTON, WV –  The American Civil Liberties Union today filed a federal discrimination lawsuit on behalf of the surviving family members of a Welch man who died of a heart attack after the police chief physically prevented his friend from performing CPR.  The police chief blocked the CPR because he falsely assumed that the man, who was gay, was HIV positive and therefore a health risk.

Just Dial 911? The Myth of Police Protection

Woman Calls 911 For Diabetic Fiance, Police Shoot And Kill Man Upon Arrival

"Also, 911 tapes were released that show the teen was calm and things under control for 10 minutes but then the boy was shot about 1 minute after a police officer from Southport showed up on the scene."

Deadly 911 Calls: NYPD Kills African Immigrant Student Inside Home After Mother Calls for Ambulance

She Calls 911 to Help Fiance; Cops Kill Him

Father dies after police stop daughter's CPR

911 emergency services take over 240 million calls a year. I don't even want to calculate the minute percentage that your handful of sensational examples represents.

You and 7priest7 are absolutely correct. 911 and e911 are for losers. It's much better to handle the situation whatever it may be entirely by yourself. By that extension police and fire services are completely unnecessary. As long as we all have buckets, garden hoses and few band-aids in the medicine cabinet we will be OK!

Thanks! I feel so much better now that your thorough examinations have put this troublesome menace to society to rest!

Quote from: aopisa on May 20, 2014, 02:01:36 PM
You and 7priest7 are absolutely correct. 911 and e911 are for losers. It's much better to handle the situation whatever it may be entirely by yourself. By that extension police and fire services are completely unnecessary

Neither of us stated that 911 is for losers.

Police can and do cause more trouble than they fix in many cases.

He stated that cell phones provide a great free outlet for 911 calls.
I stood by that statement.

Now you are putting words in our mouths.
911 has its place, It doesn't need to be paid for.

Your voip based 911 is less reliable than my cell based 911.
You can lose it through power outage/internet outage.
My cell based 911 needs no extra power and has no need for internet.

Let bigones be bigones, if you want to pay for 911 then do so.
Not all individuals benefit from paying for 911.
Many of us are healthy.
With the text to 911 service now becoming available nationwide, you could setup a cell phone to send a text with your address with a single press.

Being healthy has nothing to do with 911.  Have you ever heard of accidents?

Holly crap. All I said is not all voip providers have to offer 911.

Which is usually okay as you can get the service separate from another provider or if you have a cell phone (make sure it has GPS) that gets signal but does not need service. It will legally make 911 calls. Or use a provider that has it included.

Leave it up to people on if they want to use a Cell phone or a Landline for 911. Both have ups and downs and has a chance to fail in an emergency.  

Take the 911 discussion to another thread. Quit thread crapping here.

Quote from: 7Priest7 on May 20, 2014, 06:23:15 PM

Quote from: Crow550 on May 20, 2014, 04:57:54 PM
Take the 911 discussion to another thread. Quit thread crapping here.

The irony of creating a post that does exactly what you seek to stop.

Five days later and google voice still working on obi devices.
All the pre-planning for nothing.

Quote from: dircom on May 20, 2014, 04:06:26 PM
Being healthy has nothing to do with 911.  Have you ever heard of accidents?

If you have accidents inside your own home, you are not healthy.

LOL! Yeah I just made a correction to someones post.

Eh I guess it doesn't matter since there is 5 other threads on this....

Quote from: 7Priest7 on May 20, 2014, 06:23:15 PM

If you have accidents inside your own home, you are not healthy.

False. He didn't say anyone "had" accidents. He just said "accidents". As in "happen". There could be an accidental event that occurs inside your home (slip and fall, object falls on you, electrical fire, kitchen accident, you accidentally cut your hand while cooking or using tools, etc.) that has nothing to do with health. Or events that occur outside your home that affect the inside of your home. And even olympic athletes in flawless physical shape have accidents or are the victims of accidents.

Just saying...

On the main topic. I was using GrooveIP on my phone. <-- Didn't update it.

Anyways the other end could not hear my voice. Others are reporting this issue too. <-- Not just with GrooveIP.

So maybe this is happening in groups. Just sayin.

OFF TOPIC !!!!!!! Shut up.

Whom are you directing this too? The people discussing 911 or me saying that myself and others are getting no voice out?

911 off topic.

Quote from: lhm. on May 20, 2014, 09:14:32 PM
911 off topic.

I'm unclear.  Are you calling 911 because this thread is off topic?   :D

Quote from: Rick on May 21, 2014, 05:42:56 AM

Quote from: lhm. on May 20, 2014, 09:14:32 PM
911 off topic.

I'm unclear.  Are you calling 911 because this thread is off topic?   :D

:D :D :D
More like Jerry Springer.  ;D ;)

I wish you guys could have had a bowel of my wife's hot crow stew she made today  ;)  YUMMY

Quote from: Pepi on May 21, 2014, 06:21:21 PM
I wish you guys could have had a bowel of my wife's hot crow stew she made today  ;)  YUMMY

I hope you meant "bowl"  :D

U folks are Whaco :D

Quote from: giqcass on May 18, 2014, 03:17:35 AM

Quote from: Crow550 on May 17, 2014, 08:07:42 PM
No. VOIP is not legally required to have E911. I don't think Skype even offers it.

According to the FCC they do if they are Interconnected Voip services in the US and users may not opt out.  Services like Google Voice are hiding behind the guise of being a forwarding service so they don't have to comply.  They spent quite a bit of $$$ defending that position.  Skype seems to be taking the stance that they don't actually replace a telphone because their service was not designed to connect to a telephone.  Other companies are outside the US.  Callcentric allows you to say you will be using the service from outside the US.  Ring.to seems to plan to force the user to get their own 911 when using an Obi.  MagicJack is giving 911 to all customers and attempting to collect recovery fees.  They warn that customers that don't pay the recovery fees may be liable for those fees at a later date.  They also make it sound as if additional fees may come down the line if they don't pay up before they use 911.  
http://www.fcc.gov/guides/voip-and-911-service

QuoteAll interconnected VoIP providers must automatically provide 911 service to all their customers as a standard, mandatory feature without customers having to specifically request this service. VoIP providers may not allow their customers to "opt-out" of 911 service.

What is the Interconnected VoIP Service?

QuoteInterconnected VoIP service allows you to make and receive calls to and from traditional phone numbers using an Internet connection, possibly a high-speed (broadband) Internet connection, such as Digital Subscriber Line (DSL), cable modem, or wireless broadband. It can be used in place of traditional phone service. Typically, interconnected VoIP technology works by either placing an adapter between a traditional phone and Internet connection, or by using a special VoIP phone that connects directly to your computer or Internet connection. While you may choose to use interconnected VoIP service from a single location, like a residence, some interconnected VoIP services can be used wherever you travel, as long as a broadband Internet connection is available. Companies offering interconnected VoIP service call it by a number of different brand names. To find out more about VoIP service, see the FCC's VoIP consumer guide (http://www.fcc.gov/guides/voice-over-internet-protocol-voip).

SkypeIN and OUT poked holes in that argument.

To keep things on topic...... 5/22 GV still going strong on my OBi

Same here with my 3 Obi110..

I've used my Obi through Google Voice for over a year.  Had a lot of problems with choppy voice and dropoffs.  So far with PP the choppy voice is gone and no more dropoffs.  I'm happy  :)

Only thing sad is my wife and I had to go without eating for a week due to the 60 bucks spent ;)

Quote from: Ostracus on May 21, 2014, 10:36:56 PM

Quote from: giqcass on May 18, 2014, 03:17:35 AM

Quote from: Crow550 on May 17, 2014, 08:07:42 PM
No. VOIP is not legally required to have E911. I don't think Skype even offers it.

According to the FCC they do if they are Interconnected Voip services in the US and users may not opt out.  Services like Google Voice are hiding behind the guise of being a forwarding service so they don't have to comply.  They spent quite a bit of $$$ defending that position.  Skype seems to be taking the stance that they don't actually replace a telphone because their service was not designed to connect to a telephone.  Other companies are outside the US.  Callcentric allows you to say you will be using the service from outside the US.  Ring.to seems to plan to force the user to get their own 911 when using an Obi.  MagicJack is giving 911 to all customers and attempting to collect recovery fees.  They warn that customers that don't pay the recovery fees may be liable for those fees at a later date.  They also make it sound as if additional fees may come down the line if they don't pay up before they use 911.  
http://www.fcc.gov/guides/voip-and-911-service

QuoteAll interconnected VoIP providers must automatically provide 911 service to all their customers as a standard, mandatory feature without customers having to specifically request this service. VoIP providers may not allow their customers to "opt-out" of 911 service.

What is the Interconnected VoIP Service?

QuoteInterconnected VoIP service allows you to make and receive calls to and from traditional phone numbers using an Internet connection, possibly a high-speed (broadband) Internet connection, such as Digital Subscriber Line (DSL), cable modem, or wireless broadband. It can be used in place of traditional phone service. Typically, interconnected VoIP technology works by either placing an adapter between a traditional phone and Internet connection, or by using a special VoIP phone that connects directly to your computer or Internet connection. While you may choose to use interconnected VoIP service from a single location, like a residence, some interconnected VoIP services can be used wherever you travel, as long as a broadband Internet connection is available. Companies offering interconnected VoIP service call it by a number of different brand names. To find out more about VoIP service, see the FCC's VoIP consumer guide (http://www.fcc.gov/guides/voice-over-internet-protocol-voip).

SkypeIN and OUT poked holes in that argument.

It seems as though you are saying that if someone else gets away with it then you can also do it.  If you see someone run a red light will you then assume that is also legal?  I don't think that pokes a hole in the argument at all.  In fact I don't even think there was an argument here in the first place.  I stated that a VOIP service must legally provide 911 if they are an "Interconnected Voip service".  That is spelled out clearly on the FCC website and a definition is provided.  In the end it's up to any companies respective lawyers to make the argument as to whether the FCC definition applies to their company and it's up to the FCC as to whether they will pursue a possible violation in the first place.

It's still working fine for me as of May 24. What exactly is going on? Maybe Obihai wants to make its business model more mainstream by focusing on paid VoIP services? Understandable. They had to pick some cutoff date. Google apparently remains vague on the issue.

Technical aspects of the "Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol" (XMPP) are over the heads of most people and this leaves things open to speculation. Since XMPP is a decentralized/open standard, can anything really be enforced?

http://xmpp.org/about-xmpp/technology-overview/

Quote from: AJor on May 24, 2014, 08:24:26 PM
Technical aspects of the "Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol" (XMPP) are over the heads of most people and this leaves things open to speculation. Since XMPP is a decentralized/open standard, can anything really be enforced?

A 'decentralized' standard has nothing to do with whether Google continues to support it.

NOTE: The answer is the same no matter how many times you ask the same question.

Quote from: MikePA on May 25, 2014, 02:14:50 AM

Quote from: AJor on May 24, 2014, 08:24:26 PM
Technical aspects of the "Extensible Messaging and Presence Protocol" (XMPP) are over the heads of most people and this leaves things open to speculation. Since XMPP is a decentralized/open standard, can anything really be enforced?

A 'decentralized' standard has nothing to do with whether Google continues to support it.

NOTE: The answer is the same no matter how many times you ask the same question.

Yes, you're right about "enforcement" since they plan to switch to a proprietary method (my temporary ignorance). But nobody can claim to know what's really going on behind the scenes unless they work for Google in that capacity. I am wondering if a Google employee might read this and comment.

Read this link, then call or email the guy who wrote the post. He should know and be able to answer all your questions.

https://plus.google.com/+NikhylSinghal/posts/MjyncJEbzxK

Quote from: MikePA on May 26, 2014, 01:50:49 PM
Read this link, then call or email the guy who wrote the post. He should know and be able to answer all your questions.

https://plus.google.com/+NikhylSinghal/posts/MjyncJEbzxK

Lots of bitter comments on that page RE Obihai! One poster hopes that new firmware could make Obihai devices work with Google's XMPP replacement (seems doubtful). When something is given away for free over months and years, people get an entitlement mentality which is understandable to a point.

Quote from: AJor on May 26, 2014, 02:03:31 PM
When something is given away for free over months and years, people get an entitlement mentality which is understandable to a point.

No, it's not understandable.

There have been plenty of posts from people whose attitude was "It was free for a while. I saved some money. Now I have to pay a VOIP provider, which is still cheaper than a landline. Time to move on."

Then there are the whiners.

  What is the story of Google Voice? My Obi202 still works with GV
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I have obi202, which is 10 mos old and recently ( was using via Google voice ) there was  a wave of Google voice, stopping its services around May 15, 2014. But My piece is still working via GV and,.... as I received an e-mail from Obitalk,......
they say that Google has somehow made a provision to work it out,  some other way, so the service has not interrupted.  But the obi202 staff will not assist anymore for the Google voice for any questionnaire support, as they had declared.

So what is the true story ?  Are you still using GV,..... or should change to other service?
So far, I have no problem.  Pl. comment on this, an dalso ig there is another easy change for free service.

Somehow obihai helpline number is not returning my calls,
and they have stopped assisting via phone, it looks like. 

Thank you.

1) All the 911 posters - you should have started a new thread. That's just common Forum etiquette.

2) It's May 27 and although Obihai reports (online) that my GV access is "Offline" that fact is, it's still works fine - and I have two GV lines in my Obi202.

3) I agree with those that have replied indicating whether or not their GV/Obi is working. If enough people post, we'll know when it's an individual problem or the actual death of GV/Obi/XMPP since no one seems to know...

I have obi202 and my both lines of  incoming and out going, are still working good, even after May 15.
So far, no problem at all.  
btw,....I also have two ooma lines ( both totally free, like this OBI,  as my ooma classic was bought, before 2008, when they had assured life-long free ), and also one TK6000 ( older version of netatlk) line, which is also totally free like obi.

I like, all free diff devices ( of their life services ), as some cover Canada and some cover 911 phones and some allows sending fax with diff protocols/some diff. way,.. and hence fax ALWAYS goes,.... So, among these all three different, I cover all aspects and still not paying any penny to any, for any monthly bills.  
Having said that, I concern least,.. say, if my obi dies, due to GV.

After reading all of the above posts here,..... and summing up, here is what I concluded.::

Let us wait till GV actually pulls off plug,.... and who knows when(?),.. it could be few weeks,months, a year later,. etc

Till time,
like obi sent us all the e-mails, the new few service RING will be in effect soon and we all can switch from GV to RING, totally free, once again.  

IMO, if obi starts charging say 45 to 60 dollars per year ( for their third party services ), like magic jack plus / nettalk / ooma telo, ....
Then it simply means,.... I see no difference and I rank all of these above said pieces almost in the same cadre/category more or less, and I may rather start hunting and searching for those old antique  pieces ( if someone is still selling ) like ooma classic and/or TK6000 - as they are free life-long, once paid for the devices initially.

This part somehow I do not understand,...

If ring to service is coming eventually free
just like the Google Voice,  why it will not be available to
the previously purchased obi devices holders , who purchased it before the May 1, 2014? "

This is the e-mail obi circulated to all its customers,...

http://blog.obihai.com/2014/05/the-google-voice-service-is-still.html

YASH. No offense but out of your seven posts only three are unique. Please try to ask each question only once unless someone points you to a different topic that's better suited.

As far as your question, it's being discussed here. http://www.obitalk.com/forum/index.php?topic=8145.0

Google Voice - still working - and its 16 May 2014

My mama said, "It will still work for many more years to come."

My own experience is that outgoing calls still work fine as of June 3, 2014. I also found that incoming calls also work, except they don't ring the phone (i.e, if I hear them ring in on the Google Hangouts app on my iPod Touch, I can still pick up the call on the phone attached to my Obi110).

If I do not port my Google voice number to another service. Do I just get another number? From who?? Not sure how to say this right. I do not care about my google voice number. I would have to dig to even find it. I only make out going calls.

Will one of the new services supply a phone number?

Thanks  Chris

Quote from: shadesofidaho on June 04, 2014, 08:52:20 AM
Will one of the new services supply a phone number?

Not all providers give you a phone number (a DID) as a matter of course.  Of those that don't, some will for an extra charge.

Which ITSP is best for you depends on your requirements.  No different from which house or which car is best.  Many options for post XMPP cut-off have been discussed (almost to death) on these forums.

I'm using one GV number with an Obi100 and thus far, as of 06/04/2014 my line continues to work - both inbound and outbound calls.

Any others using GV with lines still working (inbound and outbound calls)?

Just curious.

vmseaber

Oh please.

Don't you think this forum would have been completely flooded with reports of GV no longer working if in fact it stopped working?

Quote from: gderf on June 04, 2014, 04:17:43 PM
Oh please.

Don't you think this forum would have been completely flooded with reports of GV no longer working if in fact it stopped working?

that makes me wonder... how many people(i.e. cheapskates like myself)
are actually using Google Voice on Obi devices in the US?

(1) 1,000
(2) 10,000
(3) 50,000
(4) 100,000
(5) 1,000,000

Quote from: gderf on June 04, 2014, 04:17:43 PM
Oh please.

Don't you think this forum would have been completely flooded with reports of GV no longer working if in fact it stopped working?

well, the forum IS completely flooded with new posters talking about it, ie, "they said they were going to take my rattle away, but I still have it, why?"  :o
FWIW I set up 11 GV #'s for myself and and family

And it's posts like that that make we wish the forum software allowed me to ignore such.

Quote from: gderf on June 05, 2014, 09:23:14 AM
And it's posts like that that make we wish the forum software allowed me to ignore such.

Google and/or Obihai are just like doctors.  When a doctor says "You have 6 months to live!" and you live for another 3 years, he/she looks like a hero!     When Google declared May 15 to be the date of execution for Google Voice and it continued to work.... well... you do the math.   (on second thought, this is more like a stay of execution)

Google never declared the end of Google Voice.

Quote from: gderf on June 05, 2014, 12:35:09 PM
Google never declared the end of Google Voice.

tru dat.  they just said "Google announced the end of support for XMPP based calling"....  only the support is ending.  but google voice itself lives on.  "if something breaks on XMPP, you're on your own" is how i read that statement

Quote from: onepolarbear on June 05, 2014, 12:16:17 PM
When Google declared May 15 to be the date of execution for Google Voice ...

Google never declared any changes for Google Voice users.  The only public statement from Google was made on Oct 31, 2013 by a Google Voice employee:

https://plus.google.com/+NikhylSinghal/posts/MjyncJEbzxK

which stated:

"a few third-party applications that provide calling and SMS services by making unauthorized use of Google Voice" ... "must stop making unauthorized use of Google Voice to run their services and transition users by May 15, 2014."

It was Obihai, not Google, that stated "Google announced the end of support for XMPP based calling with Google Voice. This will happen on May 15, 2014".

Google still hasn't made any public announcement that Google Voice is going to stop working as it currently does.

Quote from: InetUser on June 05, 2014, 12:47:47 PM


"a few third-party applications that provide calling and SMS services by making unauthorized use of Google Voice" ... "must stop making unauthorized use of Google Voice to run their services and transition users by May 15, 2014."

let's face it, Obihai was the biggest offender. (plus we the users)  Guilty as charged?

Quote from: onepolarbear on June 05, 2014, 01:13:02 PM

Quote from: InetUser on June 05, 2014, 12:47:47 PM

"a few third-party applications that provide calling and SMS services by making unauthorized use of Google Voice" ... "must stop making unauthorized use of Google Voice to run their services and transition users by May 15, 2014."

let's face it, Obihai was the biggest offender. (plus we the users)  Guilty as charged?

That may very well be true, but what does that have to do with why Google Voice is still working via XMPP?

Most likely, Google Voice is still working via XMPP because Google never publicly stated it would stop working on May 15, 2014 (or any other date).  If Google were going to make any significant changes to Google Voice, such as disabling XMPP, most would expect them to make a public announcement, which they have not.

I guess, Google accomplished what they wanted to accomplish by issuing the warning to the "offenders" to stop "unsafe use", so now they can say they made their best effort to stop it. Probably this is important for some government bs, for example making sure that everybody has access to 911.

Quote from: aopisa on May 20, 2014, 02:01:36 PM
Thanks! I feel so much better now that your thorough examinations have put this troublesome menace to society to rest!

Nobody is going to deprive you of your choice. If you think that 911, police, etc. are valuable, by all means use them, and do sign up for the service that offers them.

The difference I'm talking about is about the right of free choice. From my point of view, if you think that 911 is useful service, you have your right to buy it for yourself. But you may not impose it on others who may have opposite view. However, this is what the government is doing. It's the same principle of personal liberty as using or not seatbelts in the car, or using or not drugs. The government is expected to ensure that people don't hurt other people, but everybody should be 100% free to manage their own business, own body, and own safety.

Quote from: vadr on June 05, 2014, 06:31:14 PM

Quote from: aopisa on May 20, 2014, 02:01:36 PM
Thanks! I feel so much better now that your thorough examinations have put this troublesome menace to society to rest!

Nobody is going to deprive you of your choice. If you think that 911, police, etc. are valuable, by all means use them, and do sign up for the service that offers them.

The difference I'm talking about is about the right of free choice. From my point of view, if you think that 911 is useful service, you have your right to buy it for yourself. But you may not impose it on others who may have opposite view. However, this is what the government is doing. It's the same principle of personal liberty as using or not seatbelts in the car, or using or not drugs. The government is expected to ensure that people don't hurt other people, but everybody should be 100% free to manage their own business, own body, and own safety.

SO, you don't want any rules
or
just don't want rules that you don't like??
I am with you on the draconian drug laws, but stopping at red lights, wearing a seat belt or motorcycle helmet, mandatory car insurance... helps protect society, and saves money $

imagine if there were no building codes, and a builder builds substandard building and it falls down, on YOU.  Are you willing to pay that price for the sake of "freedom"?

I am not going to change anything until it stops working. As of this morning, GV is still working good.  ;D

I live with someone else and they have a landline so I am not worried about 911.

If "XMPP not supported after May 15, 2014" only means Obihai/Google will not help me with it or provide any technical support, then I will happily continue to use it indefinitely, since I have never received any technical support or help from Obihai or Google anyway.

Quote from: gderf on June 04, 2014, 04:17:43 PM
Oh please.

Don't you think this forum would have been completely flooded with reports of GV no longer working if in fact it stopped working?

Newflash, Despite Doomsday preachers saying the world is ending, the sun still comes up.
Now I don't know what to do, use my backup sun, enjoy the old sun, or wonder why the Doomsday preacher was wrong, or contact his god, and find out what's going on  ;)

Google has made it pretty clear that they are going to be making changes to Voice and merging it with Hangouts even more than it is now.

I have an Obi integrated with Google Voice and it is still working great with both incoming and outgoing calls.

But, I think the next thing to watch is Google I/O.   Lets see what they announce there.   It might be whatever they are doing with their support/lack of support for XMPP they are going to wait until they release a newer version of Hangouts that fully encapsulates Google Voice.   Or, they could have changed their mind (which would be appropriate because last year Larry Page got up on stage and chewed out Oracle and Microsoft for not supporting standards right as Google said they were dropping support for XMPP).

Anyway, the saga continues and I love my Obi.

Thanks google, still up and running! Thank you thank you thank you!

Loving it, at least for today! Tomorrow never comes, until it does...: :)

Procrastination can actually be a good thing... at least once or twice in life.

Has anyone else had any issues using obi with GV the past week or so? I've started having occasional issues with voice quality and hang-ups. I haven't made any changes on my end, so I'm only assuming it's GV related issues.

I had been using Anveo until I started looking on the forums last week.  I switched back to GV this past weekend and I am having no issues yet...but I do not make long phone calls on my home phone very often.

It's June 20, 2014 and Google Voice and Obi are still working for me.

Good for those with an Obi box.

Sucks for Android users.... GrooveIP & Talkatone are no longer supporting it. No word on when Hangouts is getting the calling update.

Just lame.

Quote from: Vucien on June 20, 2014, 03:28:28 PM
It's June 20, 2014 and Google Voice and Obi are still working for me.

Thanks for including the date of your post.  ::)

Quote from: Crow550 on June 20, 2014, 03:48:58 PM
Good for those with an Obi box.

Sucks for Android users.... GrooveIP & Talkatone are no longer supporting it. No word on when Hangouts is getting the calling update.

Just lame.

The new GrooveIP + Ring.To does work pretty good with Google Voice. It still has some bugs but the latest version 2.0.5 has worked great.

06/24/2014: Google Voice + OBi still works.

Works for me today. What ever date today is  :D

Quote from: lhm. on June 26, 2014, 08:33:34 PM
Works for me today. What ever date today is  :D

I'm not sure, but tomorrow it will be yesterday

Quote from: telecomengineer on June 24, 2014, 11:03:28 PM
06/24/2014: Google Voice + OBi still works.

Wow, what are the odds that the date you typed in your most informative post exactly matches the date this website placed on your post? Amazing.  :o

« Reply #134 on: June 24, 2014, 11:03:28 pm »

Please try this experiment - Make your next post when GV stops working...and don't forget to include the date in your post when this happens.

Have you considered the possibility that I put the date there to save the readers a couple of seconds?

We'll treat it like Christmas socks and underwear. It's the thought that counts.

Since GV/OBI is still working, I switched back my SP1 (Google Voice) and SP2 (Sipsorcery) as primary since I was having intermittent phone ringing issues with just sipsorcery, yet GoogleTalk (SMPP) is ringing my phone perfectly.  The 2 DIDs I use are from IpComms and IpKall.

Hope the whole May 15th thing was just a scare tactic.... :P

Google will do whatever it wants to when it wants to.  And the what and when is only known by them and the gods.  Or is Google god? I get them mixed up to be honest.

Google will be integrated into Hangouts. People are able to bring up the screen in current versions of Hangouts by acessing the Debug Menu (http://www.droid-life.com/2014/07/01/hangouts-debug-activates-migrate-to-google-voice-menu-doesnt-work). You can do it yourself with a nifty app.

Google will end XMPP when Android L comes around and this feature is actually activated. Till then, enjoy!

Quote from: DigDug on July 07, 2014, 04:11:42 PM
Google will be integrated into Hangouts. People are able to bring up the screen in current versions of Hangouts by acessing the Debug Menu (http://www.droid-life.com/2014/07/01/hangouts-debug-activates-migrate-to-google-voice-menu-doesnt-work). You can do it yourself with a nifty app.

Google will end XMPP when Android L comes around and this feature is actually activated. Till then, enjoy!

Interesting first post. Hard to know how long that screen has actually been there and if plans have changed since then given Vic Gundrota's departure from Google and being the boss man for Google+.

Quote from: DigDug on July 07, 2014, 04:11:42 PM
Google will be integrated into Hangouts.

Close but no cigar!

Is Google Voice officially ended for OBI?  on the obi portal google voice is Offline and then switches to Connected when i refresh the page, but when I try to make a call, i get an message saying there is no service available to complete your call.

GV for OBi has not ended. Mine works fine.

Last week I had to delete the gv configuration and re-add it for it to work but now doing that doesn't work anymore :(

Quote from: zzricezz on July 12, 2014, 12:27:15 PM
Last week I had to delete the gv configuration and re-add it for it to work but now doing that doesn't work anymore :(

Mine still works fine.

Restarted the obi110, and it working again.

Quote from: zzricezz on July 12, 2014, 12:27:15 PM
Last week I had to delete the gv configuration and re-add it for it to work but now doing that doesn't work anymore :(

and gv said: 'The report of my death was an exaggeration'

;D

Quote from: mykmayk on July 13, 2014, 05:20:04 PM

Quote from: zzricezz on July 12, 2014, 12:27:15 PM
Last week I had to delete the gv configuration and re-add it for it to work but now doing that doesn't work anymore :(

and gv said: 'The report of my death was an exaggeration'

;D

New GV numbers are not available.

Quote from: smithduluth on July 14, 2014, 04:30:21 PMNew GV numbers are not available.

Care to expand on that?

QuoteCare to expand on that?

Are you some crusader for GV/XMPP? Your only action in these forms is to contradict anybody who says anything about the wind-down and /or malfunction of GV.

Apart from a sliver of instances when people have been able to grab a number, GV's number provisioning is, for all intents and purposes, broken. Google has acknowledged this issue and characterised it as an "error" in their product forums, but it is clear that they are not replenishing their number inventory meaningfully, if at all.

Quote from: DigDug on July 15, 2014, 04:48:14 AM

QuoteCare to expand on that?

Are you some crusader for GV/XMPP? Your only action in these forms is to contradict anybody who says anything about the wind-down and /or malfunction of GV.

Apart from a sliver of instances when people have been able to grab a number, GV's number provisioning is, for all intents and purposes, broken. Google has acknowledged this issue and characterised it as an "error" in their product forums, but it is clear that they are not replenishing their number inventory meaningfully, if at all.

Did you check all my 400+ posts?  Please look at any 20 of your choosing (or click http://www.obitalk.com/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=12070;sa=showPosts to see recent ones) and you'll see why your "only action in these forums .. " remark is factually incorrect.

I'm not a GV/XMPP crusader.  Though I do have a GV account, GV is not one of the SPs on my OBi and I don't use XMPP.

Did you really expect to post the solitary sentence "New GV numbers are not available" without anyone asking for more detail.  I didn't say or mean to imply that your bald statement was untrue.  However it was news to me (and I expect to most readers here) so I wanted to see what evidence there was to support it.

 Did you check all my 400+ posts? [/quote]

I've read at least 5 responses in the last few days where your only addition to a thread was to comment on the GV closure issue. Maybe when I get the chance I'll list them here. But, nonetheless, it was wrong of me to attack you like that. I apologize.

Quote from: DigDug on July 15, 2014, 01:38:03 PM
I've read at least 5 responses in the last few days where your only addition to a thread was to comment on the GV closure issue. Maybe when I get the chance I'll list them here. But, nonetheless, it was wrong of me to attack you like that. I apologize.

Apology accepted.

Yes there have been several posts by myself and others on the "exaggerated reports of the death" of GV.  If you can provide evidence that anything I wrote was factually incorrect I will readily update what I can write in future postings on the subject.

Perhaps you did not appreciate the intended humour in my "Close but no cigar" response to your post in which you wrote "Google will be incorporated into Hangouts".  ("Voice" was missing!)

Yep, Google Voive still working July 17, 2014; False Alarm! :o

Quote from: KE4JCD on July 16, 2014, 09:54:44 PM
Yep, Google Voive still working July 17, 2014; False Alarm! :o

Wow, you're even better than telecom engineer, you can see into the future. Congrats.

Quote from: MikePA on July 18, 2014, 01:41:06 AM

Quote from: KE4JCD on July 16, 2014, 09:54:44 PM
Yep, Google Voive still working July 17, 2014; False Alarm! :o

Wow, you're even better than telecom engineer, you can see into the future. Congrats.

nah, his reply was on: July 16, 2014, 09:54:44 pm (PDT).  where he's at maybe in a different time zone that is already July 17.  so, he doesn't have parapsychological abilities -- just living on the east coast.

i know... i know... you're just joking.  well, i'm Sheldon.  i'm missing the sarcastic gene.

Should we start taking bets on days in which xmpp might stop working?

Everybody can bet on 7 different days(PST (http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/time-zone/usa/pacific-time/)), Let the best guesser win!
No money bets, just for fun.

Quote from: MikePA on July 18, 2014, 01:41:06 AM

Quote from: KE4JCD on July 16, 2014, 09:54:44 PM
Yep, Google Voive still working July 17, 2014; False Alarm! :o

Wow, you're even better than telecom engineer, you can see into the future. Congrats.

I guess you do have a serious issue with people putting dates in their posts.  I have explained why I did it.  Apparently, my explanation is not enough.

Now, let me give you a scenario why sometimes it makes sense to have the date:

Someone makes a successful OBi/GV call and leaves home on vacation.  Next day, he gets online in his hotel room and reports that OBi/GV still worked last time he checked when he left home.  Should he put the date in his post or let the readers calculate the date themselves?

Back to the "future seer", I assume a smarty pants like you should have heard about time differences, no?

(http://i671.photobucket.com/albums/vv73/Brav3SRunn3R/waaambulance.jpg)

is it just me or did google voice stop working?

I just used my GV # to check my voicemail at work by dialing in & it worked OK.

OK - an updated report on my OBi110 and Google Voice.
Thankfully there have been NO Changes!  My OBi110 and Google Voice remain a perfect marriage with no conflicts or other problems.
I'm still sticking with this pair unless the Wyoming volcano erupts or a major asteroid hits my part of the USA.
FREE is such a wonderful thing!
Lester  (aka TW)

So far, so good.
I was tempted to buy Anveo two years $60, but didn't dare.
Procrastination pays.  ;D

I have 3 google voice numbers and my sister has one . One of my gvoice numbers stopped working on the obi and hers did also yesterday.  O well must be a slow rollout! The other2 numbers are still working for now... ???UPDATE: I got them to work again!  I reset the obi device and kept trying to configure GV and it finally took. Just keep trying or try the next day like I did.  
OK UPDATE I can use my phone to make an outgoing call BUT Incoming does NOT work! Also I cannot use the GV webpage to click on a number and make an outgoing call. Have to pick up the phone and dial...

OK update For incoming to work you need to log into your obi from the yellow port with a computer and SET the GV password in voice services sip credentials. When I did this incoming worked again. With obitalk it somehow does NOT put the GV password into this spot. So I configured it myself and it works again!Ill keep using GV until it really doesnt work anymore!! ;D

First off, this is for a land line for my parents. We have been paying for Vestalink since May, when the Google Voice stopped working one day on the Obi100. Lately, I've been having issues with the Vestalink line being unclear, the other side couldn't hear us at times, and there were dropped calls, especially to friends who had MagicJack numbers.

Yesterday, the phone line stopped working and the Obi100 lights started blinking red and green. After doing some fixes, including forum searches, and following the suggestions, my Obi100 was still blinking with alternating red and green lights.

Today, after another round of unplugging and replugging, resetting with a paper clip, and deleting the device from the ObiTalk Dashboard page, I just noticed that the light was a solid green again. I started to add the device again to the dashboard, and was pleasantly surprised to find that Google Voice is working again on the home land line! I'm going to follow some of the others on this thread and just wait it out, until Google Voice will finally stop working, once and for all.

Back when the cut-off date for GV arrived I put my Obi100 aside and kind of wrote it off.  I pulled it out again today to see if I could find a use for it and when I plugged it in it I was surprised to see it was still working through GV.

When I was mucking around in the Obi Dashboard I clicked on the GV provider option and got a prompt that my device needed new firmware to support GV.  I proceeded with the update and everything continues to work fine.  I can't find any real details on the firmware and what it provided.

So to my question - is there some magic in this new firmware to make my Obi Google Hangouts friendly or was this just a normal process when configuring GV and I'm still at the mercy of Google shutting off XMPP whenever they choose?

Thanks!

Quote from: KCChris on September 05, 2014, 10:01:53 PMSo to my question - is there some magic in this new firmware to make my Obi Google Hangouts friendly or was this just a normal process when configuring GV and I'm still at the mercy of Google shutting off XMPP whenever they choose?

No, there's no 'magic' to make it work with Google Hangouts. If it did, Google Hangouts would be shown as an Approved Service Provider, not Google Voice.

Yes, XMPP could disappear.

There are plenty of posts by SteveinWA that go into more detail.

Quote from: MikePA on September 06, 2014, 01:27:39 AM

Quote from: KCChris on September 05, 2014, 10:01:53 PMSo to my question - is there some magic in this new firmware to make my Obi Google Hangouts friendly or was this just a normal process when configuring GV and I'm still at the mercy of Google shutting off XMPP whenever they choose?

No, there's no 'magic' to make it work with Google Hangouts. If it did, Google Hangouts would be shown as an Approved Service Provider, not Google Voice.

Yes, XMPP could disappear.

There are plenty of posts by SteveinWA that go into more detail.

Right; thanks, Mike.  I specifically answered that question already.  The firmware update only changed the way that the OBi devices authenticate to the user's Google account.  It removes the old method, which used the user's Google account user name and password, to simulate the user directly logging into the Google Chat system.  Instead, it now uses Google's OAUTH 2.0 authentication method to ask the user to permit OBi to have secure access to their account, and then exchanges access tokens to enable it.  The user name and password are never stored by Obihai.  You can tell that you have the new firmware, if you hear the female voice prompts on your OBi device, instead of the former male voice.

This doesn't change the continued, actual use, by OBi devices, of XMPP protocol for call setup and call management.  You will not find any reliable, official information on Google's continued support of XMPP, nor any public commitment by Obihai or Google to support OBi devices on Hangouts, going forward, unless or until such support actually changes.  Google never comments publicly on specific future product features.

Quote from: SteveInWA on September 06, 2014, 07:21:47 PM
This doesn't change the continued, actual use, by OBi devices, of XMPP protocol for call setup and call management.  You will not find any reliable, official information on Google's continued support of XMPP, nor any public commitment by Obihai or Google to support OBi devices on Hangouts, going forward, unless or until such support actually changes.  Google never comments publicly on specific future product features.

@SteveInWA I've seen your posts in the Google Voice group so I know your information is pretty accurate, and apparently you are also an Obihai beta tester.

Without getting into Google or Obihai future plans, is there some explanation for why Google Voice is now featured at the top of the list of approved providers (see attached screenshot) and Obihai has bothered to change its authentication method for a service that is presumably dead and Obihai users were expecting to be cutoff "any day now". It seems like if the authentication method needed to be changed for compatibility that would have been a perfect opportunity to officially drop support for Google Voice.  ???

I'm not asking for futures, just an explanation of these changes that have already occurred. ;)

Steve does not work for Obi, so how would he or anyone (expect for an Obi employee), know why Obi does what it does?
your question makes no sense

Quote from: dircom on September 10, 2014, 03:25:30 PM
Steve does not work for Obi, so how would he or anyone (expect for an Obi employee), know why Obi does what it does?
your question makes no sense

He doesn't have to answer if he doesn't want to and I'm sure he doesn't need you to tell him that.::)

Steve seems to know as much about Google Voice and Obihai devices as anyone and may at least have a theory or opinion on why Obihai decided to modify their firmware to support an alternate authentication method for a service that was previously documented as end-of-life.

If my question makes no sense to you then please refrain from trying to answer it.;)

Quote
Steve does not work for Obi, so how would he or anyone (expect for an Obi employee), know why Obi does what it does?
your question makes no sense

What he said, but "nicer":  It's partly a marketing strategy move on Obihai's part, not some indication as to the future availability of GV access via XMPP.  I've been viciously flamed over on DSLReports for daring to try to interpret Obihai's strategy, so I'll leave that to Sherman, who is in charge of marketing for Obihai.

On the technical side, however, the answer is clearer:  Google told third parties that it would stop allowing direct access to their users' accounts (by direct access, using their user name and password) via XMPP.  Obihai has now complied by replacing their access method, and instead, using Google's more secure OAUTH 2.0 method.  That's a "good thing" as Martha Stewart would say.  I can't speculate beyond that.

Quote from: SteveInWA on September 10, 2014, 03:54:50 PM
I can't speculate beyond that.

Nor am I asking that you do that. As to why Google Voice is featured (again) as a supported provider, and the authentication method was updated for a service that was supposed to have already lost support, the rest of us can speculate about that.;) I'm just glad I stayed with pay-as-you-go VoIP providers instead of jumping on the long term commitments that have recently been featured on this site.

Thanks for your clear answer on why it was necessary for Obihai to update the Google Voice authentication method regardless of what that may or may not imply about their future plans for that service.:)

Google Voice - OFFICIALLY SUPPORTED - and its 11 Sep 2014

Quote from: nlurker on September 11, 2014, 11:18:40 AM
Google Voice - OFFICIALLY SUPPORTED - and its 11 Sep 2014

You must be referring to this (http://blog.obihai.com/).

How timely.;)

Now all the complaints from the Obihai users that abandoned Google Voice and subscribed to other services will begin.::)

ramjet73

Shouldn't. Signing back up is easy. Also I've found even before all this that GV and SIP providers complement each other.

Quote from: Ostracus on September 11, 2014, 07:56:33 PM
Shouldn't. Signing back up is easy. Also I've found even before all this that GV and SIP providers complement each other.

But some of the "special deals" that were offered as GV replacements were with providers that aren't the easiest to work with or most full featured at the SIP level. And the best "deals" required a fairly long term commitment.

If you check the thread for the new GV support discussion you will find that some users have already complained.

Heh, well I see the GV setup issues has started. Hope everything works out.