Obi 100 going offline.
OzarkEdge:
Quote from: restamp on June 15, 2015, 10:40:21 am
Quote from: OzarkEdge on June 15, 2015, 06:00:00 am
Note that leaving only the OBiTALK peer-to-peer service enabled still permits Obihai to remotely manage/update your device, which they are known to do.
This is interesting and something I didn't know. Can you (anyone) explain what updates to the device OBiHAI will make given only that OBiTALK service is enabled and everything under Provisioning (Firmware updates, ITSP provisioning, and OBiTALK provisioning) have been disabled? (Realistically, since they control the firmware, I suppose any disabling of provisioning is only a suggestion, not an insurmountable lockout, but still I would think that disabling everything on the Provisioning page is a pretty good indication the owner does not want anyone else messing with their device.)
I can't explain what Obihai may or may not do. I know from reading here that they have pushed firmware updates directly to devices not configured for remote provisioning. Bottom line... if you do not want uncertain interaction, disable all connections. If you leave the OBiTALK Service enabled, I would assume they reserve the power to manage your device as Customer Premise Equipment even though you brought it... understandable from their end.
As for the current situation of not being able to configure your device unless you upgrade firmware, and you can't upgrade firmware unless you buy an extended support plan, and you can't buy an extended support plan because the system doesn't work yet... I assume that Obihai intends to not publish future firmware releases for manual download/installation... you'll have to use the OBiTALK web portal after you pay up for extended support... otherwise, what's the point of it all?
OE
drgeoff:
Quote from: OzarkEdge on June 15, 2015, 12:29:34 pm
... you can't upgrade firmware unless you buy an extended support plan...
That isn't true. A link to the 1.3.0-2872 firmware for OBi100/110 has been posted recently and I successfully downloaded that firmware yesterday. Manual loading of firmware has not been removed or disabled.
SteveInWA:
Quote from: OzarkEdge on June 15, 2015, 12:29:34 pm
I can't explain what Obihai may or may not do.
Correct.
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I know from reading here that they have pushed firmware updates directly to devices not configured for remote provisioning.
Incorrect.
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As for the current situation of not being able to configure your device unless you upgrade firmware, and you can't upgrade firmware unless you buy an extended support plan, and you can't buy an extended support plan because the system doesn't work yet... I assume that Obihai intends to not publish future firmware releases for manual download/installation... you'll have to use the OBiTALK web portal after you pay up for extended support... otherwise, what's the point of it all?
Completely incorrect.
OzarkEdge:
Quote from: drgeoff on June 15, 2015, 04:11:29 pm
Quote from: OzarkEdge on June 15, 2015, 12:29:34 pm
... you can't upgrade firmware unless you buy an extended support plan...
That isn't true. A link to the 1.3.0-2872 firmware for OBi100/110 has been posted recently and I successfully downloaded that firmware yesterday. Manual loading of firmware has not been removed or disabled.
Per their Support page, Obihai publishes firmware in this forum sticky message: http://www.obitalk.com/forum/index.php?topic=9.0. This topic was last updated March 19, 2015, by Mark, who no longer works for Obihai.
For OBi 100 Series, it says:
Manual download: http://fw.obihai.com/OBi-latest.fw 1-3-0-2824 May 2014
OBiTALK.com auto download: 1-3-0-2872 Sept 2014.
ALL of these dates pre-date the current pay-to-play requirement on OBiTALK.com. I see no new or current firmware posted for manual download. (I know how to craft the url http://fw.obihai.com/OBi110-1-3-0-2872.fw to download OBiTALK.com Build 2872 or http://fw.obihai.com/OBi202-3-0-1-4738.fw to download OBiTALK.com Build 4738, but these links are not published.)
Please show me their published links to manually download the ransom firmware currently being pushed out on OBiTALK.com. For an OBi202, this would be Build 4738 or later... where is the link to manually download Build 4738 to bypass OBiTALK.com's new pay-to-play scheme?
And please explain why Obihai would setup a firmware release process that would entice OBiTALK.com users to manually update firmware before continuing to use OBiTALK.com, just to avoid paying for extended support? Clearly, such a process is a mess and would make no sense (pun intended).
If Obihai continues to ransom firmware updates on OBiTALK.com, do not expect them to post that same firmware for free download... unless they want to continue insulting everyone using OBiTALK.com.
OE
RFC3261:
Quote from: OzarkEdge on June 15, 2015, 12:29:34 pm
... I assume ...
And we all know what assuming does.
At this point, it is clear that Obihai failed to get in front of this (from a marketing standpoint) and announce the changes at/before they happened, and has failed to react (and spin, if needed) to the controversy those changes have started. At this point all we have is a lot of conjecture, pontification, and FUD from the people posting, with no facts to support any of the words.
I continue to expect that Obihai will announce their future business/support model(s) for the consumer devices eventually. I may be disappointed with that model. I may be pleased with the model. And I may be resigned to that model. But first it needs to get announced.
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