A bit of advice for new users
MichiganTelephone:
Carl, let's just agree that your take on the situation and mine couldn't be more opposite. I believe that this would be a much more thriving community if certain person(s) didn't monopolize it. I believe that people would still be helped, but it might be better help and it might come from a more diverse community of helpers. Maybe you would have received better help on resolving the problems with your device, and maybe not, but we'll never know. Maybe many of the people who would have become helpers have left because they never got a chance to answer a question before "Mr. Know-It-All" shows up. And maybe that's creating a situation where if he ever does pack up and leave, there will be no one else here who even knows how to answer the type of questions he's been answering. The problem with always "letting George do it" is that when George retires or gets sick, no one else knows how to fill in for him.
And, I can't imagine that Obihai would ever consider paying someone who badmouths them in other online forums. No company I know of would do that.
You're entitled to your opinion, but I couldn't disagree with you more.
MRTT:
Quote from: MichiganTelephone
There is nothing "secret" about it. I don't much care for a certain person.
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Poo on Your public agenda and dislike for certain people. If you want to be helpful, then do try to be helpful. Leave the other crap out.
Quote from: MichiganTelephone
It's really me, and don't take this the wrong way, but my feeling is that if I'm not allowed to speak what I believe and keep your respect, while someone else (whom I disagree with) is allowed to say what they believe (over and over again), than f-— your respect (and I have ALWAYS felt that way, not just in this situation). At least I haven't posted what I think or believe four thousand times in the last year and a half. In fact, I'd be amazed if I've posted anything close to four thousand posts in total in all the years I've been on the Internet (I'm not counting e-mails here, just public posts).
I want to make it clear that I fully understand that he's helped a lot of people, and many of those he's helped are very appreciative, and I don't begrudge him that at all. But at times he also leads people astray, especially when he's helping someone and the first thing he does is tell them to turn off Auto Provisioning/OBiTalk Provisioning. If he want to do that on his own devices that's fine, but he really has no business telling others to do that without explaining the downside.
Who is saying you cannot state what you believe? Not me. Apparently I cannot state what _I_ believe. So why don't you practice what you preach? Me, offering my opinion, that your post is non-helpful is not the same as saying you cannot state what you believe.
The tone of your response exudes jealousy. So the other guy has nearly 4000 posts, so what? On each thread just add your 2 cents, if you have something constructive to add.
My unsolicited opinion is that personal attacks here do not help your cause. You have your own outlets for to make those.
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MRTT
MichiganTelephone:
Okay, so you have your opinion. You don't like me or what I have to say. Fine, I can live with that. In case you haven't noticed, being liked by everyone is not one of my primary goals in life. We have politicians that try to do that and look where it gets them.
I did have to laugh out loud when you postulated that I was somehow jealous. Jealous of someone who spends all day in front of a computer screen typing post after post? I can't think of anything I'd enjoy doing less. Honestly, I resent the time I've put in today answering some of the ridiculous accusations in this thread.
So lets get it out in the open. A vocal few of you think I'm the ultimate a--hole. You don't like me, you think I'm wrong, you think the guys that I've warned people about walk on water and can do no wrong and that I must be the devil if I say otherwise. You think I have ulterior motives other than what I've stated (I wish I knew what those are!). You wish I would just shut up and go away. You've made all that abundantly clear. I understand all that. But it hasn't changed my mind about what I believe, or my intent to speak my mind when I think it's an appropriate time to do so.
So why are you (those of you that have posted) prolonging this thread? Oh, maybe it's because you get some satisfaction out of doing the EXACT thing you are accusing me of doing, which is, turning this into a personal attack? Even if you think I started it (and no matter how you took it, my original message was not intended by me to be anything other than a warning for newbies about taking bad advice), you are doing the EXACT thing you accuse me of when you prolong this ridiculous thread. Pretty much everyone who has posted in this thread is a hypocrite in my book.
Can we end this now, or does someone else feel they have one last stone to cast? (That's not an invitation, but I'm sure someone will take it that way).
MRTT:
MichaganTelephone,
FWIW, I'm fine with your intentions. In a word, education. The method, errr, not so much.
I'd personally prefer you to stick around. Do not include me in the group that wants you gone. I've never said that. I'm not trying to change your mind about what you believe either.
The Irony is that I am on your side, and trying to help.
I resent having ever tried to offer any form of constructive criticism. That you can get your message across without carrying so much baggage along.
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MRTT
MichiganTelephone:
Quote from: MRTT on March 24, 2012, 09:42:34 pm
The Irony is that I am on your side, and trying to help.
I resent having ever tried to offer any form of constructive criticism. That you can get your message across without carrying so much baggage along.
I have reread my original post several times (just did it again) and I honestly do not see where I said anything that should cause people to be so offended. Certainly nothing that deserved lhm.'s response, which sort of set the tone for what followed. I think people took it the wrong way and I think that happened primarily because certain people have almost built a "cult following" on this board (which I honestly do not see as a good thing for either users or Obihai), and if you say anything even remotely negative about the practices of such people, their faithful followers see it as a personal attack against those people. It's as if I said that it's a bad idea for people to get hooked on illegal drugs, and immediately the customers of one particular drug dealer took it as a personal attack on their dealer (that's an analogy, by the way — I am NOT accusing anyone in this forum of dealing drugs). Well, if that's how someone wants to see it then that's how they'll see it, but what I was really coming against was the efforts of some to steer users away from using the OBiTALK portal, not attacking anyone on a personal level. I'm talking specifically about my first post here, not anything that followed after that.
In fact, before I posted the message I actually deleted a couple of things that I thought might be construed as personal attacks, and precisely because I thought that such a thing had no place here. But once people started attacking me, I felt a bit less charitable.
So while you may have intended your criticism to be constructive, as far as I'm concerned it was misplaced. And if you won't be happy until I admit that you (and others who have criticized me, "constructively" or otherwise) might be right, then I'm afraid you won't be happy. In my heart I feel that making that post was the right thing to do, and a few people criticizing me about it aren't going to convince me otherwise.
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