A bit of advice for new users
MRTT:
MichiganTelephone, if you want to actually help out here, just offer up your alternate suggestions when you can. People can make up their own minds. This kind of posturing is not constructive.
Putting others down just makes you look like you have a secret agenda.
Is this really "the" MichaganTelephone I know and love and follow? My respect for you has diminished.
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MRTT
MichiganTelephone:
Quote from: MRTT on March 23, 2012, 08:36:29 pm
MichiganTelephone, if you want to actually help out here, just offer up your alternate suggestions when you can. People can make up their own minds. This kind of posturing is not constructive.
Putting others down just makes you look like you have a secret agenda.
There is nothing "secret" about it. I don't much care for a certain person. In my opinion he is a pompous know-it-all that spends far more time in forums than anyone should. When he first showed up here, my perception of him was that he was very abrasive if people disagreed with him or dared not to take his advice. In my opinion he's probably got that part of his personality a bit more under control (or maybe I've just learned to ignore it) but what upsets me is that he appears to be on this crusade to turn people against the OBiTALK portal (and sometimes I wonder if it goes beyond that). I'm sure that the Obihai people worked VERY hard to create that portal and it's a great benefit for many users. But he doesn't consider any of that because he's so convinced that his way is the right way.
My "secret agenda" is to try to maybe make him realize that the portal is a helpful tool for many of us and that it was probably not just knocked out by people who had nothing better to do with their afternoon. It took a lot of hard work and effort to make such a useful tool. My sympathies are with the Obihai developers who probably thought they created a wonderful thing (and they did, as far as I'm concerned) and here he comes pissing all over it, just because that's the kind of person he is. It's his way or the highway, and I for one was damn sick of it months ago.
I know he has helped a lot of people. I hate to admit it but there have been a very few occasions when something he's written has even helped me. My goal is NOT to get him to pack up and leave although at this point if he did, I probably wouldn't be that sad about it. And anyway, he certainly wouldn't do it because I said so, any more than I would do it because someone in this thread said I should.
Here is the other thing: Look at his post count. This forum has been in existence for what, maybe a year and a half tops? And he's got close to four thousand posts. FOUR THOUSAND!!! That averages out to between 16 and 17 posts a day, day in and day out, and that's not even counting his posts in other forums. Seriously, it feels like nobody else can get a word in edgewise here. I've seen it happen so many times where someone asks a question and within a half hour he's posted a response. Did it ever occur to him that maybe there are others in this forum that might like a shot at offering help (and I do NOT mean me, I already have too much to do most days)? But he doesn't appear to care. His whole world appears to revolve around him and his opinions and trying to build himself up. You say to just offer up suggestions when I can. What, I should post how great I think the OBiTALK portal is? I could maybe do that once every couple of weeks tops without it getting repetitive. Meanwhile, he's telling people to turn off auto provisioning and auto firmware updates, without explaining why or what people lose by doing that. And I'll bet that if I could even keep track of every time he does it and posted an alternate suggestion, you'd think I was the one being contrary!
I guess if I have an agenda it would be to get him to realize that he's not the center of the universe (or even an Obihai employee) and that there are real people whose feelings he's not taking into consideration. Newbies in particular do NOT need to be shooed away from the portal. And frankly, I can't have any respect for a guy who wants to play the role of the big hero and helper in here, then goes into other forums and makes backhanded comments about Obihai products. What, exactly, does he LIKE about Obihai, other than having amassed some followers who think he's a great guy in this forum?
There are people — probably too many of us, and I do include myself here — that need to get away from the computer more often and get out into the sunshine and among real people, people who will let us know with their facial expressions and their words when we are being overbearing.
Quote from: MRTT on March 23, 2012, 08:36:29 pm
Is this really "the" MichaganTelephone I know and love and follow? My respect for you has diminished.
It's really me, and don't take this the wrong way, but my feeling is that if I'm not allowed to speak what I believe and keep your respect, while someone else (whom I disagree with) is allowed to say what they believe (over and over again), than f-— your respect (and I have ALWAYS felt that way, not just in this situation). At least I haven't posted what I think or believe four thousand times in the last year and a half. In fact, I'd be amazed if I've posted anything close to four thousand posts in total in all the years I've been on the Internet (I'm not counting e-mails here, just public posts).
I want to make it clear that I fully understand that he's helped a lot of people, and many of those he's helped are very appreciative, and I don't begrudge him that at all. But at times he also leads people astray, especially when he's helping someone and the first thing he does is tell them to turn off Auto Provisioning/OBiTalk Provisioning. If he want to do that on his own devices that's fine, but he really has no business telling others to do that without explaining the downside.
Rick:
Personal attacks don't belong on this or any other help forum. If you believe a post is a personal attack, use the button to report it to OBi. I did.
MichiganTelephone:
This IS a help forum and the intent of my first post WAS to be helpful, but to NEW USERS, not to members of a certain personality cult that seems to have formed on here. Unless you knew exactly who I was thinking about, you would not even have taken it as a personal attack, and if you knew who I was talking about, then maybe that means I am doing the right thing in warning new users. I certainly would appreciate a warning of this type if I were new to a forum and didn't know whose advice I could trust!
I suppose you wouldn't think that lhm.'s post qualifies as a personal attack, but it had a decidedly nastier tone than anything I posted and it's also where this thread sort of went off the rails.
carl:
The fact that somebody posts 4500 replies within 18 months is indeed amazing- in a very positive sense. ( I know, because I played an unpaid advisor on a certain forum for a few months till I got fed up). Going through some of those replies for the last 4 months I can only say that 90+ % of them were to the point and at least partially usefull. In such a situation I do not question someone's motives. As a matter of fact Obi should pay certain people here because they provide the level of prompt and sophisticated customer service Obi does not . If it were not for some of those " know it alls with attitude" I would have sent back the device to Amazon and would have given appropriate recommendation on line and more importantly , to my friends.
For me, everyone is welcome who gives a valid advice, help or just information, whatever his motives or attitude might be.
This thread did not get off the rails, it was on the wrong rail to start with. That would have not been the case if the OP was formulated a bit differently.
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