FAX through Obi202
carl:
Quote from: TimDan on April 29, 2012, 05:17:35 pm
. But many industries still require documents via snail mail or FAX, specifically prohibiting email. Attorneys and doctors typically do this for security purposes, and my architect neighbor says that many of his overseas clients will accept only FAXes. FAXing is still here and alive.
*TimDan*
Attorneys and doctors (and many others) do it out of laziness, not for security purposes. I could tell you stories about problems with back and forth faxed illegible contracts and the consequences. Faxing is simply outdated. But I agree with you that there are people who try to force you to use it. Also in some parts of the world with miserable internet faxing remains a viable option. :)
jimates:
Last week my auto insurance company needed my signature on a coverage change form. She could fax it to me and I could either fax or mail it back. I told her on did outgoing fax but she could email it to me; she said "oh no, I can't email it to you, I will put it in the mail".
Felix:
My wife does a lot of faxing... In the last year not once did she use a fax machine. With fax service (we use extremefax, and somebody also mentioned onesuite) she gets faxes into email, and with Acrobat or NitroPDF she adds her comments or signature, or what not and faxes back. And if the document originates with us - there is a "print driver" that allows you to essentially print from Word or Acrobat directly to this internet fax service.
Occasionally she needs to scan document before faxing. We had Voip service earlier (VoicePulse) that didn't support faxing - at least with our fax machine; and we never missed it.
Granted - nobody ever asked her to fax anything on colored paper... but our fax machine (just like yours) wouldn't be able to do it; and I haven't had a fax modem since 1999. Interestingly, some law offices treat secure pdf with higher confidence than signed faxes; but others require "wet signature" without understanding that what they get from their fax machine is as wet, as a picture of a paint can ::)
carl:
Quote from: Felix on April 29, 2012, 10:44:42 pm
Interestingly, some law offices treat secure pdf with higher confidence than signed faxes; but others require "wet signature" without understanding that what they get from their fax machine is as wet, as a picture of a paint can ::)
Not only some law offices are that stupid but even some judges. Somebody sued me frivolously last year and presented in the court a " copy" of a letter which I supposedly wrote which was copied and pasted out of 3 different documents and the judge accepted it! ( Yeah, those elected judges). The case got thrown out anyway, but their suit looked far less frivolous because of that.
Germany now issues new national ID cards suitable for electronic signing. You have to buy and additional card reader ( inexpensive). All contracts, applications and documents which do not require notarizing can be sign that way.
JohnBowler:
Docusign say they will support fax out in August:
https://www.docusign.com/support/docusign/releases
A few Docusign account allows you to sign up to five documents a month, which is plenty for me. I guess they may require a non-free account to support fax-out since it presumably has some small cost to them.
Fax in is a separate issue, sending images over a route designed for voice is fundamentally dumb so far as I am concerned; I always ask for a PDF in email. (PDF supports the fax data format, which offers good compression for black and white documents, although the loss of information is enormous.)
John Bowler <jbowler@acm.org>
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