Obihai is deleting unwanted topics
VaHam:
Quote from: MichiganTelephone on May 16, 2012, 08:25:47 pm
I'm not saying this is an issue that should be hidden, and in fact I think Obihai did the wrong thing by deleting that entire initial thread, when they could have just deleted the posts containing the bad information.
I would rather see the title of this thread be something more like "A discussion of OBiHai firmware updating procedures". I don't like the idea of deleting entire threads either and this one certainly has not been. The current title sounds like somebody is trying to hide something and I don't really think that is the case. I also think OBiHai took the action they did last week to help the majority of their current customers using only Google Voice as do you. The action did raise my awareness of the detailed workings of the device however; especially after I learned that even with auto provisioning set to off that it took place. That then leads one to ponder all the other ramifications of that capability. If auto provisioning cannot be positively disabled within the device one should examine all of the possibilities that may arise as a result of that.
You raised a very good point about inopportune firmware updates with regard to power stability during the firmware re-flash; one that hadn't even occurred to me up until that time, but has been known to cause problems in many other devices.
As I said earlier even the remote risk of some security issue is not a big problem if your only using Google Voice and that if your using a paid sip provider that you could limit any big liability there by incremental funding and pay as you go.
I don't know if Google Voice will remain free forever which has no doubt been a big benefit to OBiHai sales. I know the Obi device preceded free Google Voice and IMHO I prefer the OBi devices over other ATAs and think they will dominate in the future even if Google Voice ceases to be free.
I would think that practices which may be acceptable in a consumer product using only Google Voice and OBiTALK network may not be acceptable for commercial type use. If I were an ITSP providing the devices to my customers I certainly wouldn't want updates pushed to them automatically.
Quote from: MichiganTelephone on May 16, 2012, 08:25:47 pm
The only ones who are unhappy are the type that see "an enemy behind every tree", so to speak, and think that maybe someone's just chomping at the bit to hack their Obihai devices. If such a thing had ever happened, I would be a lot more concerned, but I've never seen a bona fide report of anyone hacking an Obihai device.
Well in the big scheme of things the OBi's are fairly new devices so if there are vulnerabilities which could be exploited they may have just not been found yet. So far none have been uncovered but I for one find it an interesting technical issue if nothing else to explore the possibilities before any thing bad could happen. The OBi's would certainly make attractive targets for voip thieves. There are or will be many more of them than PBXs to exploit, if they can be, and most are I suspect operated as you pointed out by novices.
I think the OBi's are great products but there is room for improvement even in great products.
QBZappy:
I see that RonR has been punished. Anyone else notice it?
RonR:
Quote from: QBZappy on May 17, 2012, 08:52:03 am
I see that RonR has been punished. Anyone else notice it?
I was apparently demoted yesterday from 'Beta Tester' to simply 'Forum Member' with no rating.
Several posts that had resulted in getting users operational by having them log into their OBi's directly were also deleted. Apparently, any suggestion of directly accessing an OBi is now grounds for censorship.
VaHam:
Quote from: RonR on May 17, 2012, 09:24:54 am
Quote from: QBZappy on May 17, 2012, 08:52:03 am
I see that RonR has been punished. Anyone else notice it?
I was apparently demoted yesterday from 'Beta Tester' to simply 'Forum Member' with no rating.
Several posts that had resulted in getting users operational by having them log into their OBi's directly were also deleted. Apparently, any suggestion of directly accessing an OBi is now grounds for censorship.
I may not always agree with your opinions regarding the Web portal for configuration since I think it is pretty good and that provisioning via the device's web gui is probably better left to advanced users.
But I recognize the great amount of time and contributions you have made in this forum helping others!!! My first experience here was responded to by you and your input was appreciated greatly by me. If you were to get fed up and stop helping folks then I wonder if any one else would pick up that slack and respond to requests for help as prolifically as you have.
Alas, it turns out that currently the only way to keep firmware updates from being pushed is to disable all of ObiTALK services, then the web portal is also not usable so anyone who chooses not to receive the pushes will be forced to use your preferred method of provisioning directly with the devices web gui.
Ostracus:
Quote from: RonR on May 17, 2012, 09:24:54 am
Quote from: QBZappy on May 17, 2012, 08:52:03 am
I see that RonR has been punished. Anyone else notice it?
I was apparently demoted yesterday from 'Beta Tester' to simply 'Forum Member' with no rating.
Several posts that had resulted in getting users operational by having them log into their OBi's directly were also deleted. Apparently, any suggestion of directly accessing an OBi is now grounds for censorship.
Well aside from the deletion, does not being a beta tester really mean anything?
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