Obihai is deleting unwanted topics
MichiganTelephone:
Quote from: lhm. on May 20, 2012, 04:38:27 pm
MT you are totally off topic in this thread. Please delete the above post.
TIA
Considering that this whole thread is a reaction against deleting posts, your post is ironic in the extreme. But my answer to you is this:
NO
YWIA
carl:
Quote from: MichiganTelephone on May 22, 2012, 12:10:34 pm
Quote from: DocM on May 21, 2012, 11:52:43 am
. So you are correct in saying he doesn't "force" anyone to follow his philosophy how could he, without having direct access to their device but too often the implication has been that you have to follow his philosophy to get your issue fixed or to achieve the result you want.
I have been trying to stay as polite as possible in this matter but sometimes it just is not easy.
So far, I have not seen the long line of people complaining about Ron's "disastrous " advise rather a long line of people being thankful to him for his help and advise. If somebody thinks here that his advise was so bad and unneeded, why did not he provide a better one? If somebody helps me, I do not give a damn what kind of philosophy he may or may not be carrying out as long as it helps me, especially if there is no one out there incl. the CS who would do that.
All of us here love OBi. And all of us want it to be a success and further improve. But a few things have to be said. Right now, it is Google Voice making Obi big. But what happens if GV starts charging for the service ? Obi is great in giving the opportunity to use SIP providers too, but here it is where customer service comes in. I bought my second Obi and I have been making warm recommendations to everyone I know. However, in the past I was about an inch away to sticking just to obi100 strictly for GV and getting a Cisco 187 or similar for SIP, because you get there a better customer support for the device both from manufacturer and from SIP providers. And that would have happened if it was not for a.o. people like Ron. I have neither the time nor desire to spend 3 months studying Obi in order to be able to solve issues on my own and there are lot of things there which are not all that logical or intuitive and where time consuming trial and error approach is needed and that is nothing for somebody who at this point of time wants to be nothing more than an informed consumer.
Censorship is always stupid( not even to speak about this childish "demotion")- it is far better to counter with what you believe is the proper information- and organizing witch hunts at helpful forum members is just bizarre. ::)
Ostracus:
Quote from: carl on May 22, 2012, 04:19:33 pm
Quote from: MichiganTelephone on May 22, 2012, 12:10:34 pm
Quote from: DocM on May 21, 2012, 11:52:43 am
. So you are correct in saying he doesn't "force" anyone to follow his philosophy how could he, without having direct access to their device but too often the implication has been that you have to follow his philosophy to get your issue fixed or to achieve the result you want.
I have neither the time nor desire to spend 3 months studying Obi in order to be able to solve issues on my own and there are lot of things there which are not all that logical or intuitive and where time consuming trial and error approach is needed and that is nothing for somebody who at this point of time wants to be nothing more than an informed consumer.
Well, one, I don't know why your original comment is in quotes. Second the documentation does leave something to be desired. That's why I wonder why no one's set up a Wiki were this issue can be worked on by both the community, and Obihai?
QBZappy:
http://michigantelephone.wordpress.com/
Comment Policy:
"If you send a comment that is insulting or disrespectful, it WILL be moderated (a.k.a. "censored"), and you will be permanently banned from leaving further comments. It's okay to disagree, but be nice about it or you will be GONE!"
(Emphasis added)
MichiganTelephone:
Quote from: QBZappy on May 22, 2012, 07:46:33 pm
http://michigantelephone.wordpress.com/
Comment Policy:
"If you send a comment that is insulting or disrespectful, it WILL be moderated (a.k.a. "censored"), and you will be permanently banned from leaving further comments. It's okay to disagree, but be nice about it or you will be GONE!"
(Emphasis added)
Yep, that's my policy. I've never said that I agree with anyone who may think that Obihai had no right to delete the thread. They had EVERY right it's their forum and they can delete whatever they like. However, sometimes when you delete a thread in progress, people can get the wrong idea about why it was done, which apparently happened here. I don't know if anyone thinks that Obihai had no right to delete that thread, but anyone who may think that is absolutely, positively wrong. What some of us may be questioning is the WISDOM of deleting the entire thread, particularly when it was apparently just a few messages that contained bad or confusing information.
This is not the place to discuss my blog policy, but I don't see where it's at odds with anything I have said or done here (and even if you think it is, it's not your decision to make unless you are a forum moderator). Even when I disagree with people I have tried to be respectful about it. Some people apparently think I should keep some of my opinions to myself, but I happen to think they are relevant to this thread, and often are posted only as a counterpoint to someone else expressing their opinion first.
I've had people leave comments on my blog that disagree with something I say (sometimes almost everything I've said in an article) and I almost always allow those, but what I don't allow is the sort of comment that starts out with something like "You are a moron" or "You are a lowlife scumbag" or something like that. I don't talk that way to other people (I won't say I've never slipped and done it, but I am human) and I certainly don't believe I've talked about anyone that way here. I think it's possible to question someone else's actions and still not resort to the sort of frothing at the mouth hate that sometimes has permeated a comment in my blog. There are people who think that "being nice" means never saying a bad word about anyone or anything, whereas my definition is not going out of one's way to be antagonistic or to personally attack someone using name calling, ad hominem attacks, or that sort of thing. But I can certainly disagree with someone's actions, or the sort of advice they are giving to other people, and just because someone else may disagree with what I say doesn't necessarily mean I'm not trying to express myself in a relatively "nice" way.
Of course, if you try to be TOO nice when saying something that might be perceived as disagreeable, then the amateur psychologists will say you're "passive-aggressive", so you just can't please everyone! ::)
EDIT: By the way, isn't it perhaps time to bring this thread to a merciful end? We're starting to drift further and further from the original topic, and it detracts from the purpose of the forum. And I will admit that I'm as guilty as anyone else in not letting this thread die, but I think all the points that can be made (at least by me) have been made, and I understand that some of you disagree with me, and that's okay as I said before, my opinions are MY opinions; I'm not trying to convince anyone else to share them (perhaps unlike some others
sorry, couldn't resist). Anyway, it would be nice if this topic could drop off the front page in this forum, and to that end, I'm not going to respond to anything else in this thread. I think this horse is quite dead by now, and I, for one, am getting tired of beating it.
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