Raspberry Pi + GVmate = what we want once Google ends support for XMPP
Marty.ba.calif.usa:
Quote from: drgeoff on March 17, 2014, 04:40:29 am
Quote from: Marty.ba.calif.usa on March 16, 2014, 09:49:40 pm
Quote from: drgeoff on March 16, 2014, 04:57:53 pm
I'll put it politely. :)
I very much doubt that there is any technical problem which Obihai could not overcome to enable the current Obis to work with GV after 14 May. The OBis already contain a computer.
So, they would need to be able to run Google Voice in a browser on an Obi, and somehow magically control it without the use of any APIs to make it work? That sounds like a pretty good trick - how will they be able to do that?
In a similar way to how Sipsorcery does it now or how it used to be done in Asterisk.
I couldn't find out how that works, or any real information about it except discussions on how to get it to work, and how to write and troubleshoot scripts. It looks like something that might not be very reliable, since it relies on unsupported interfaces to GV, which I hear is itself getting less and less reliable.
So, I still don't really know what they are doing. There's no wikipedia entry, and their website gives very little information. Does it need a computer to be running to use it?
drgeoff:
Quote from: Marty.ba.calif.usa on March 17, 2014, 10:56:58 am
Quote from: drgeoff on March 17, 2014, 04:40:29 am
Quote from: Marty.ba.calif.usa on March 16, 2014, 09:49:40 pm
Quote from: drgeoff on March 16, 2014, 04:57:53 pm
I'll put it politely. :)
I very much doubt that there is any technical problem which Obihai could not overcome to enable the current Obis to work with GV after 14 May. The OBis already contain a computer.
So, they would need to be able to run Google Voice in a browser on an Obi, and somehow magically control it without the use of any APIs to make it work? That sounds like a pretty good trick - how will they be able to do that?
In a similar way to how Sipsorcery does it now or how it used to be done in Asterisk.
I couldn't find out how that works, or any real information about it except discussions on how to get it to work, and how to write and troubleshoot scripts. It looks like something that might not be very reliable, since it relies on unsupported interfaces to GV, which I hear is itself getting less and less reliable.
So, I still don't really know what they are doing. There's no wikipedia entry, and their website gives very little information. Does it need a computer to be running to use it?
1. First off, let me say that the point I was trying to make in my first post on this topic is that I don't believe it is a hardware inadequacy of the existing OBis that prevents Obihai from continuing to provide GV functionality after 14 May. So making a product containing a Raspberry Pi doesn't help.
2. I don't claim to know down to the last detail how the Sipsorcery implementation works. However it isn't necessary to run a full-blooded browser just to 'poke' a few values back to a web-page server. And no, it isn't necessary to have a PC running. An ordinary ATA, Obi or other make, is quite enough to make and receive GV calls through Sipsorcery, once the Sipsorcery dial-plan has been configured and a suitable DID has been arranged.
giqcass:
Actually Sipsorcery does log in just like a web browser but it doesn't actually need to be anything near a full blown pc browser. It can log in to the mobile version of the website. Then it grabs a single token that it needs to verify the session. After that all it has to do is send a few variables to the Google Voice website.
Marty.ba.calif.usa:
Quote from: giqcass on March 17, 2014, 03:16:01 pm
Actually Sipsorcery does log in just like a web browser but it doesn't actually need to be anything near a full blown pc browser. It can log in to the mobile version of the website. Then it grabs a single token that it needs to verify the session. After that all it has to do is send a few variables to the Google Voice website.
So, it sounds like it essentially spoofs a browser as far as GV knows? That's what I was thinking it might do, which is why it didn't sound very reliable. I've used products in the past that kept breaking every time a website was updated. They would come out with a fix, sometimes fairly quickly, but it can be pretty inconvenient for something like a phone - but I guess any VOIP needs at least some backup plan, which isn't that hard to implement, I suppose.
Rick:
OBi entered the market, likely without planning well for the future, naively thinking they could provide free phone service, via Google Voice, to the masses.
GV figured it out and made a change (last year) that threw OBI for a loop, but they figured a way around it.
GV then said we're tired of doing this and we're removing this capability.
In the meantime, OBi figured out that servicing consumers directly isn't their business model and is now focused on providing boxes to service providers and offloading all those nasty customer interactions.
In short, OBi is going to do NOTHING to keep the status quo, so save your breadth. It's time to leave GV behind and move on to a real VoIP provider.
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