Another "what to do about gv xmpp shutdown" thread...
nitzan:
Quote from: SteveInWA on April 22, 2014, 06:51:32 am
And, of course, you've also been repeatedly engaging in self-promotion yourself, first on DSLreports, and now, here. Glass houses, you know.
Company representatives participating in forums is a great thing. Company shills pretending to be customers recommending the service to others is not.
TonyTib:
I do think you (nitzen) could be more clear; if I look at any random post, there's no indication that you are a Future 9 representative (and in fact, it wasn't clear to me from the initial posts promoting F9, but I did figure it out a bit later).
Look at names such as same_from_circlenet and intellefone -- it's obvious who they are. (I'm not trying to imply anything negative; I just think it would be good to add a Future 9 tagline somewhere).
nitzan:
Good point. I changed my signature to indicate my relation to Future Nine. Thanks for the feedback!
SteveInWA:
Quote from: nitzan on April 22, 2014, 07:14:52 am
Quote from: SteveInWA on April 22, 2014, 06:51:32 am
And, of course, you've also been repeatedly engaging in self-promotion yourself, first on DSLreports, and now, here. Glass houses, you know.
Company representatives participating in forums is a great thing. Company shills pretending to be customers recommending the service to others is not.
You say "representative", I say "shill". Come on, be honest. You have built your business by ingratiating yourself with BBR forum members, boasting of your company's superiority to others, and dissing competitors.
Now, don't get me wrong. Competition is a great thing. Politely helping your customers is a great thing. But underneath it, I see this: a one-man sales operation, the 2014 version of the 20th century door-to-door commodity salesperson, selling Avon, Fuller Brush, Amway or encyclopedias. Anybody can simply resell SIP VoIP trunks and DIDs from a CLEC. Your website is primitive (read your users' reviews), and you have very few added-value services, compared the larger providers. You are "forum squatting" to get free advertising, you have no real customer support system, and you are answering what should be your own website's trouble tickets by having users, again, for free, post questions on someone else's forum. It's a clever way to survive, reselling somebody else's stuff at a very minimal cost of operation, to turn a small profit, but it's not the way to run an ethical business.
I assume Obihai is ignoring this because it's in their self-survival interest to sell more OBi boxes. No doubt, there are people on this forum who want nothing more than the very cheapest, bare-bones SIP access, and you're providing that, like CirlceNetSam's little company, for example.
Users just need to have their eyes wide open and not seduced by a "pssst, meester, wanna buy some cheeeep SIP". As I always say, you [don't] get what you [don't] pay for.
carl:
Quote from: SteveInWA on April 22, 2014, 06:50:25 pm
Quote from: nitzan on April 22, 2014, 07:14:52 am
Quote from: SteveInWA on April 22, 2014, 06:51:32 am
And, of course, you've also been repeatedly engaging in self-promotion yourself, first on DSLreports, and now, here. Glass houses, you know.
Company representatives participating in forums is a great thing. Company shills pretending to be customers recommending the service to others is not.
You say "representative", I say "shill". Come on, be honest. You have built your business by ingratiating yourself with BBR forum members, boasting of your company's superiority to others, and dissing competitors.
Now, don't get me wrong. Competition is a great thing. Politely helping your customers is a great thing. But underneath it, I see this: a one-man sales operation, the 2014 version of the 20th century door-to-door commodity salesperson, selling Avon, Fuller Brush, Amway or encyclopedias. Anybody can simply resell SIP VoIP trunks and DIDs from a CLEC. Your website is primitive (read your users' reviews), and you have very few added-value services, compared the larger providers. You are "forum squatting" to get free advertising, you have no real customer support system, and you are answering what should be your own website's trouble tickets by having users, again, for free, post questions on someone else's forum. It's a clever way to survive, reselling somebody else's stuff at a very minimal cost of operation, to turn a small profit, but it's not the way to run an ethical business.
I assume Obihai is ignoring this because it's in their self-survival interest to sell more OBi boxes. No doubt, there are people on this forum who want nothing more than the very cheapest, bare-bones SIP access, and you're providing that, like CirlceNetSam's little company, for example.
Users just need to have their eyes wide open and not seduced by a "pssst, meester, wanna buy some cheeeep SIP". As I always say, you [don't] get what you [don't] pay for.
Unbelievably hostile comment full of misrepresentation. To make something clear, I am not affiliated with F9 nor their customer; I use Localphone, Callwithus and Callcentric.The only truthful comment is about F9's web site- it is awful. The rest is nonsense and you can question the motives of somebody who makes statements like that. Yes, F9 is a small company- so is CWU and Anveo is not that much bigger. But F9 is known for their superb reliability, their special Nitzan promotes now is really good and I would trust them far more than Phonepower or let alone Vestalink. I will not waste my time to elaborate on the rest , it's not my war to fight. ::) ::)
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