Mass hysteria?
Rick:
Quote from: nitzan on May 16, 2014, 11:00:50 am
I'm really hoping for all you guys that VestaLink actually exists in two years. Their entire userbase paid for 1-2 years upfront which means starting today they have no revenue coming in, at all. A year is a long time having to pay your carriers (and yourself) without getting revenue. I'm sure they'll get some signups through word-of-mouth, and they did increase their prices 2-3 times, but still - a handful of signups is not going to support a company for a year. The only way they may last is if Ryan Tilton is investing this money rather than blowing it away on DJ gear, lol...
Wow, the CEO of one company bashing another company on the forum. Classy!
I decided not to go with any of these a) created yesterday b) pay up front for a year or more or c) ask me something in the forum and I'll fix it companies. Note one of them gave me any comfort factor.
I simply forwarded my phone to Callcentric for now, $1.50 a month for the E911. Outbound on my cell or use the PC to call the house line and make the call.
vtsnaab:
Speaking just for myself & my own choices here...I specifically did NOT choose VestaLink because I have watched so many complaints about it appear at this very forum - and have read many facts about it which make me have sincere doubts about it.
I specifically decided to go with Future Nine because it was very clearly NOT created yesterday - and it has a terrific value offered in its F5 plan which does NOT require users pay up front for a long term thing at all ($30 to start is what I put in and I'm good with that).
I'm also using Callcentric for free as I don't care about the 911 stuff.
I also signed up to try Localphone for use via Wifi on a cellular and thus far that has been a spectacular failure for me as even LP's own Android softphone app doesn't seem to work with it - and their 'support' is a sad joke (or even a parody) upon the concept which has offered ZERO HELP.
I must add that I have been very impressed with the attentiveness and helpfulness of some providers who post here - and very high on my 'impressed' list is Sam from CircleNet.
These folks are brandy-dandy new and obviously very determined to do good and even make a great free trial offer on top of their superb rates=> so, young though they are I am giving them a spin too.
Nitzan's points regarding how companies that offer yearly things tend to go flat are very well made in my opinion.
As an older man & long-time business owner/operator I've seen a great many places that were based upon such ideas just croak when they could no longer finance their overhead after their membership ceased to grow dramatically; and I do mean actual places seen on the streets.
Fitness clubs are the best & most visible examples for this; as for internet things that fail this way - hosting providers who offer great yearly deals dry up and disappear DAILY.
Some things simply don't make ANY business sense - and long-term memberships for things with regular overhead commitments that keep them going is one such type of thing for certain.
Lastly=>
I have no affiliation with ANY of these providers - I am simply a user who is seeking good service and these are my observations and opinions - nothing more than that.
Rick:
To me, it's irrelevant if Nitzan's points are valid or invalid. Companies win business by showing their features and benefits as compared to the competition (Us / Them chart for example). Going on a forum and bashing a competitor is not called for, even if the comments are 100% correct.
nkolodij:
Quote from: Rick on May 20, 2014, 05:46:09 am
To me, it's irrelevant if Nitzan's points are valid or invalid. Companies win business by showing their features and benefits as compared to the competition (Us / Them chart for example). Going on a forum and bashing a competitor is not called for, even if the comments are 100% correct.
I agree, even though nitzan helped me with a problem I will not get his service because he is unprofessional. Also I would not give my opinion on something unless I had experience with it NOT "have read many facts about it", speaking just for myself of course.
Taoman:
Quote from: Rick on May 20, 2014, 05:46:09 am
To me, it's irrelevant if Nitzan's points are valid or invalid. Companies win business by showing their features and benefits as compared to the competition (Us / Them chart for example). Going on a forum and bashing a competitor is not called for, even if the comments are 100% correct.
I have to agree. The point isn't if the comments were "well made." The point is who is making the comments.
I sure haven't seen Sam_from_CircleNet make any disparaging comments about any other provider. Why? Could it be professionalism?
The comments may be well intentioned and they may even be correct but they are still improper.
I can't help but wonder how Nitzan would react if Ryan Tilton (from Vestalink) posted similarly negative comments in his Future9 thread.
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