Quote from: ramjet73 on October 01, 2014, 11:58:59 AM
Quote from: genesishep on October 01, 2014, 11:14:22 AM
I saw nothing in his post that comes close to a call to spam the GV Forum. What I saw was an idea and the very true statement that if others would like that feature the best way to let Google know about it is to provide feedback in the appropriate GV forums. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me. What doesn't sound reasonable is for self proclaimed forum police to target/harass someone into apologizing for doing nothing more than offering a suggestion and a means to express it.
IMO the real problem is asking other users to support a campaign for an enhancement that isn't well thought out. It's one thing to throw something out on your own and another thing to ask other people to jump into the pool with you.
Do you know what he meant by "For CNAM.... Google should just integrate their Google Caller ID that's in the Android Dialer with G-Voice"? If so, please explain. I'm still not clear if his statement refers to "CNAM" for Obihai devices configured for Google Voice, all inbound and/or outbound calls from/to any Google Voice connected device (which would override the official CNAM databases) or something entirely different.
Bottom line, if you are going to ask other users to join you in requesting enhancements, make sure they are well researched and clearly explained.
Again, nothing wrong with asking or presenting an idea on a discussion forum at ANY stage in its development. If the issue was a need to clarify their position/point/idea fine, ask for clarification. Don't attempt to dissuade, or brow beat someone for posting a topic of discussion in a DISCUSSION FORUM. Kind of defeats the purpose of a forum at all doesn't it? Where is it written that requests must be formatted and submitted in a certain manner? I've seen many discussion forums foster ideas where an original poster will suggest something and another poster will suggest an alternative idea that builds on the original. That is how communities should function, in this case, it didn't.
Its not really so difficult to conduct ourselves civilly:
Option A: Agree with poster and join/support them.
Option B: Disagree with poster and don't join/support them.
Option C: Ask for clarification if you are unsure what they are asking (in a civil, non condescending manner would be nice)...once clarification is received see options A or B.
Option D: Discuss topic why for, why against.
Option E: Ignore post entirely as it isn't of any interest to you.
I take issue with the use of the word "spam" and the idea that it is wrong for someone to suggest providing feedback to a developer is either spamming or annoying to them. Google is just a company, their engineers are just people and they are not above hearing comments from the masses. Nor should they be. And if they are? Tough, don't ask for feedback if you don't really want it.
Further, my issue isn't in whether I support or understand his request, my issue is that there is no reason to be an arse or a bully in response. That sort of behavior stifles conversation as many, especially those who are less technically inclined, would rather not speak up or ask questions for fear that someone will be a rude towards them. Most of us were taught proper manners as we grew up but simply choose to ignore them in social media.
What happened above was completely uncalled for. I read the rest of the thread, I also perused Crow550's comments on these forums as SURELY he must have been a pest to get a reaction like that for one comment in a thread. I saw nothing to warrant SteveInWA's response...and it angered me to then see him offer an apology to someone who definitely didn't deserve one. Bully's get away with behavior because society doesn't call them on it.