Vestalink Now "Supports Direct Integration With Google Voice"
SteveInWA:
Quote from: LTN1 on March 22, 2015, 09:41:38 pm
Quote from: ceg3 on March 22, 2015, 10:28:01 am
I decided to reply to the email and here is the text that confirms you don't need to port into VL to use their ATA as GV connected device.
Me: I followed a link to Amazon, which seems to indicate a user can purchase your ATA and use it to connect a Google Voice number the way you can with an OBi. Does this mean you can use it that way without porting in a number into VL and signing up for service?
Ryan at VL: Yes, that is correct. Thank you!
Steve...(above quote for reference to my question) What makes you believe that Vestalink may be providing misleading information about their ATA being like an OBi in ceg3's question to them and their response?
Note how that question was phrased, and the answer that was given: yes, you can use a VL number as a forwarding number with an existing or new Google Voice account, without porting your GV number to VL. All inbound calls will go to GV, then be forwarded to whatever forwarding number(s) the user adds to his/her GV account, exactly the same way GV can be used with any other service provider's DIDs. Outbound calls would be placed via VL, spoofing the user's GV caller ID, exactly the same way one could make calls with any other telco that permits caller ID spoofing. There is nothing new, unique, or different about this. Many of us already do this with some other SIP ITSP.
The Grandstream ATA being used does not have any ability to work directly with Google Voice via the XMPP Chat protocol, or otherwise, via its hardware and firmware. I own one, and I am very familiar with its capabilities. You can view the product's technical specifications at the manufacturer's website.There is no evidence, from my own examination of the VL website, that they are doing anything special to enable any sort of direct connection or gateway to Google's service.Their website merely documents the same, standard information about how to add a VL number as an ordinary forwarding number to one's GV account (which is exactly the same as adding any other ordinary telephone number as a forwarding phone number for GV use.Their website describes setting up caller ID spoofing to send one's GV telephone number with outbound calls, which, again, is no different than can be accomplished with some other SIP ITSPs like Callcentric.They haven't disclosed any evidence that they have any sort of back-end connection technology to Google's infrastructure.
TL;DR: nothing to see here, move along.
LTN1:
Steve...I'm not saying that Vestalink's assertions are true. I just think that ceg3's question to Vestalink was pretty clear...at least to me...basically asking is their ATA just like an OBi and that you can connect to GV without even signing up to Vestalink?
Vestalink's reply was a simple yes, that is correct.
If Vestalink is correctly answering ceg3's question the way ceg3 intended, I wonder where you are getting the between the lines information?
If you are correct (which I probably would bet on you), Vestalink is shooting themselves the foot even further by perpetuating misleading information and I don't know how they can recover their reputation after this.
SteveInWA:
Quote from: LTN1 on March 22, 2015, 10:55:45 pm
Steve...I'm not saying that Vestalink's assertions are true. I just think that ceg3's question to Vestalink was pretty clear...at least to me...basically asking is their ATA just like an OBi and that you can connect to GV without even signing up to Vestalink?
Vestalink's reply was a simple yes, that is correct.
If Vestalink is correctly answering ceg3's question the way ceg3 intended, I wonder where you are getting the between the lines information?
If you are correct (which I probably would bet on you), Vestalink is shooting themselves the foot even further by perpetuating misleading information and I don't know how they can recover their reputation after this.
Ha, now it sounds like you're cross-examining me on the witness stand.
I can't speak for ceg3 or VL (nor do I really want to). You can take their Q&A any way you wish. I am only trying to interpret the question in a way that VL could have answered as they did, whilst giving them the benefit of the doubt, in that, technically, they could "support" GV the same way as any other ITSP.
It would be very easy for VL to describe their service as working with GV: It reminds me of the Saturday Night Live tobacco grower's association lawyer, "Nathan Thurm", being questioned. "I know that. What makes you think I said that? No, I never said that. What makes you think I said that"?
https://screen.yahoo.com/nathan-thurm-tobacco-growers-america-000000071.html
SteveInWA:
I will say this, though: the more revealing questions that someone could ask, if desired, would be "How does your Grandstream ATA connect directly to Google Voice's infrastructure? How does it authenticate to my Google account? Is it different in any way from the standard HT-701 I could buy elsewhere? What do you mean by the term "Direct integration? How is this any different from the way DIDs from other service providers are used with a Google Voice account? What features of your service are better or different from other ITSPs?"
LTN1:
Quote from: SteveInWA on March 22, 2015, 11:25:46 pm
I will say this, though: the more revealing questions that someone could ask, if desired, would be "How does your Grandstream ATA connect directly to Google Voice's infrastructure? How does it authenticate to my Google account? Is it different in any way from the standard HT-701 I could buy elsewhere? What do you mean by the term "Direct integration? How is this any different from the way DIDs from other service providers are used with a Google Voice account? What features of your service are better or different from other ITSPs?"
Can't a country lawyer just ask a simple question without being grilled by the witness?
Since Vestalink has access to this forum, I'll let Vestalink answer your questions if it so chooses.
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