How to convert SPA3000 setting to OBi110 Setting

ronaldng · March 17, 2011, 07:28:14 AM

On my problem to use OBi110 with Hong Kong's phone line.

My friend in England (UK) gave me the Ringers & Tones setting of his SPA3000 in UK.

Since Hong Kong's phone line system is very similar with the UK one. I try to use them in my OBi110.

I find that they are very similar with the settings in OBi110 but not the same.

Anyone know how to convert it to OBI110's format?

-----

Call Progress Tones

Dial Tone: 350@-19,440@-22;15(*/0/1+2)
Second Dial Tone: 420@-19,520@-19;10*/0/1+2)
Outside Dial Tone: 420@-16;10(*/0/1)
Prompt Tone: 520@-19,620@-19;10(*/0/1+2)
Busy Tone: 400@-20;10(.375/.375/1)
Reorder Tone: 400@-20;30(*/0/1)
Off Hook Warning Tone: 480@-10,620@0;*(.125/.125/1+2)
Ringback Tone: 440@-19,480@-19;*(2/4/1+2)
Confirm Tone: 600@-16;1(.25/.25/1)
SIT1 Tone: 950@-16,1400@-16,1800@-16;20(.330/0/1,.330/0/2,.330/0/3,0/1/0)
SIT2 Tone: 914@-16,1371@-16,1777@-16;20(.274/0/1,.274/0/2,.380/0/3,0/4/0)
SIT3 Tone: 914@-16,1371@-16,1777@-16;20(.380/0/1,.380/0/2,.380/0/3,0/4/0)
SIT4 Tone: 985@-16,1371@-16,1777@-16;20(.380/0/1,.274/0/2,.380/0/3,0/4/0)
MWI Dial Tone: 350@-19,440@-22;10(.75/.75/1+2)
CFWD Dial Tone: 350@-19,440@-19;2(.2/.2/1+2);10(*/0/1+2)
Holding Tone: 600@-19;*(.1/.1/1,.1/.1/1,.1/9.5/1)
Conference Tone:: 350@-19;20(.1/.1/1,.1/9.7/1)
Secure Call Indication Tone: 397@-19,507@-19;15(0/2/0,.2/.1/1,.1/2.1/2)
VoIP Pin Tone: 600@-10;*(0/1/1,.1/.1/1,.1/.1/1,.1/.5/1)
PSTN Pin Tone: 600@-10;*(0/.7/1,.2/.1/1,.2/.1/1,.2/.5/1)
PSTN Warning Tone: 600@-10;5(0/.5/1,.05/.05/1,.05/.7/1)
Feature Invocation Tone: 350@-16;*(.1/.1/1)

Distinctive Ring Patterns

Ring1 Cadence: 60(.4/.2,.4/2)
Ring2 Cadence: 60(1/2)
Ring3 Cadence: 60(.25/.25,.25/.25,.25/1.75)
Ring4 Cadence: 60(.4/.

Ring5 Cadence: 60(2/4)
Ring6 Cadence: 60(.2/.4,.2/.4,.2/4)
Ring7 Cadence: 60(.4/.2,.4/.2,.4/4)
Ring8 Cadence: 60(0.25/9.75)

Distinctive Call Waiting Tone Patterns

CWT1 Cadence: 30(.1/2)
CWT2 Cadence: 30(.25/.25,.25/.25,.25/5)
CWT3 Cadence: 30(.1/.1, .1/.1, .1/9.7)
CWT4 Cadence: 30(.1/.1,.3/.1,.1/9.3)
CWT5 Cadence: 1(.5/.5)
CWT6 Cadence: 30(.1/.1,.3/.2,.3/9.1)
CWT7 Cadence: 30(.3/.1,.3/.1,.1/9.1)
CWT8 Cadence: 2.3(.3/2)

Ring and Call Waiting Tone Spec

Ring Waveform: Trapezoid
Ring Frequency: 25
Ring Voltage: 70
CWT Frequency: 400@-10

Control Timer Values (sec)

Hook Flash Timer Min: 0.06
Hook Flash Timer Max: .9
Callee On Hook Delay: 0
Reorder Delay: 5
Call Back Expires: 1800
Call Back Retry Interval: 30
Call Back Delay: .5
VMWI Refresh Intvl: 0
Interdigit Long Timer: 10
Interdigit Short Timer: 5
CPC Delay: 2
CPC Duration: .1

Miscellaneous
FXS Port Impedance: 370+620||310nF
FXS Port Input Gain: 0
FXS Port Output Gain: 0
DTMF Playback Level: -16
DTMF Playback Length: .1
Detect ABCD: yes
Playback ABCD: yes
Caller ID Method: ETSI FSK with PR(UK)
FXS Port Power Limit: 3
Caller ID FSK Standard: v.23
Feature Invocation Method: Default
More Echo Suppression: No

MichiganTelephone · March 17, 2011, 01:08:49 PM

Quote from: ronaldng on March 17, 2011, 07:28:14 AM
On my problem to use OBi110 with Hong Kong's phone line.

My friend in England (UK) gave me the Ringers & Tones setting of his SPA3000 in UK.

Since Hong Kong's phone line system is very similar with the UK one. I try to use them in my OBi110.

I find that they are very similar with the settings in OBi110 but not the same.

Anyone know how to convert it to OBI110's format?

I'm guessing you probably don't need to convert all of these, just the most commonly used ones. The first thing you need to realize is that the gain levels on one device don't necessarily translate well to the gain levels on another device. So, at least to start with, I would only change the frequencies, not the gain levels. Here are a few examples (for OBi defaults I'm using Tone Profile A which is USA settings):

Dial Tone: 350@-19,440@-22;15(*/0/1+2)
OBi default: 350-18,440-18;20
No change needed

Ringback Tone: 440@-19,480@-19;*(2/4/1+2)
OBi default: 440-18,480-18;-1;(2+4) (same as above)
OFTA standard: 440-18,480-18;-1;(.4+.2,.4+3)

Busy Tone: 400@-20;10(.375/.375/1)
OBi default: 480-18,620-18;10;(.5+.5)
OFTA standard is OBi default, UK is: 400-18;10;(.375+.375)

Reorder Tone: 400@-20;30(*/0/1)
OBi default: 480-18,620-18;10;(.25+.25)
OFTA standard is OBi default, UK is: 400-18;30 (I think - not 100% sure on this one)

Confirm(ation) Tone: 600@-16;1(.25/.25/1)
OBi default: 600-18;1;(.2+.2)
UK: 600-18;1;(.25+.25)

Second Dial Tone: 420@-19,520@-19;10(*/0/1+2) (added missing parenthesis)
OBi default: 400-18,425-18;20
UK: 420-18,520-18;20

The OFTA settings mentioned are from this paper.

Hopefully you get the picture. I'd stick with the OBi defaults on all the non-tone settings, except that you can change ringing patterns and call waiting tone patterns if you want to. As an example:

Ring1 Cadence: 60(.4/.2,.4/2)
OBi Ring Pattern 1 default: 60;(2+4)
You need: 60;(.4+.2,.4+2) (which is actually the Ring Patrern 1 default for Ring Profile B - you may find that just using Ring Profile B will get you close enough).

CWT1 Cadence: 30(.1/2)
OBi default: 440-18;30;(.25+10)
This one has me a bit stumped offhand - I'd guess you could try 440-18;30;(.1+2) and see if it sounds right to you.

Anyway, maybe these examples will give you enough info to get you started on your translation project!

LeftRight · March 17, 2011, 02:11:13 PM

Go to Physical Interface --> phone port, you may find corresponding FXS settings (some) there.

Here are some of settings you might want to change (different from OBi defaults)

Ring Waveform: Trapezoid (default: Sinusoidal)
Ring Frequency: 25 (default: 20)

Hook Flash Timer Min: 60 (default: 70)
Hook Flash Timer Max: 900 (default: same)
CPC Delay: 2000 (default: same)
CPC Duration: 100 (default: 500)

FXS Port Impedance: 370+620||310nF (default: 600)
DTMF Playback Level: -16 (default: -15)
Caller ID Method: FSK(V.23) (default: FSK(Bell202))
Caller ID Trigger: after Polarity Reversal(default: after first ring)

LeftRight · March 17, 2011, 02:50:45 PM

Quote from: MichiganTelephone on March 17, 2011, 01:08:49 PM

Reorder Tone: 400@-20;30(*/0/1)
OBi default: 480-18,620-18;10;(.25+.25)
OFTA standard is OBi default, UK is: 400-18;30 (I think - not 100% sure on this one)

You might pay some attention to "Reorder Tone" pattern, since LINE port also use this for PSTN disconnect:

Physical Interface --> LINE port --> PSTN Disconnect Detection --> Disconnect Tone Pattern

Check whether or not your incoming PSTN call can be ended (after the other party hangs up) using the default setting, if not, you might try the UK pattern ...

ronaldng · March 17, 2011, 04:34:31 PM

Thanks a lot everyone.

With the provided setting.

I still have problem on the CallerID

Phone number : 12345678
CallerID detect : 01234567

A "0" was added at the beginning and the last digit of the phone number was cut.

MichiganTelephone · March 17, 2011, 05:21:55 PM

Quote from: LeftRight on March 17, 2011, 02:11:13 PM
Go to Physical Interface --> phone port, you may find corresponding FXS settings (some) there.

Here are some of settings you might want to change (different from OBi defaults)

Ring Waveform: Trapezoid (default: Sinusoidal)
Ring Frequency: 25 (default: 20)

Hook Flash Timer Min: 60 (default: 70)
Hook Flash Timer Max: 900 (default: same)
CPC Delay: 2000 (default: same)
CPC Duration: 100 (default: 500)

FXS Port Impedance: 370+620||310nF (default: 600)
DTMF Playback Level: -16 (default: -15)
Caller ID Method: FSK(V.23) (default: FSK(Bell202))
Caller ID Trigger: after Polarity Reversal(default: after first ring)

I take the opposite view — I strongly advise you not to change ANY of these unless you know exactly why you are changing them. The reason I say that is because, to be blunt about it, Sipura got several of these settings WRONG. In particular, the first two settings mentioned above are VERY wrong in North America (though many newer phones won't care, some older ones won't ring with those settings, particularly ones made by Western Electric, Northern Electric, ITT, Stromberg-Carlson, etc. In those phones, which generally had real mechanical ringers, the ringing circuit is tuned to the 20Hz, sinusoidal ringing current sent by the old "Bell System").

Leave the defaults alone and then only change something if you actually have an issue that requires changing that setting. The only exception to that might be Caller ID Method and Caller ID Trigger — I am not sure if Hong Kong uses the same standards as the United States but since you say you're having trouble receiving Caller ID, please restore all the above settings to the defaults and see if that helps. Also, I would not be surprised if the FXS Port Impedance is different, but I also doubt it's the same thing the British use. I know that information is out on the Internet somewhere, it's just a matter of finding it.

ronaldng · March 17, 2011, 05:46:54 PM

Thanks a lot for your advise.

My case is different, I live in Hong Kong.

I think the phone system used in Hong Kong is following UK standard

My OBi110 have problem in Hong Kong by using the dafault setting in the unit which I think it follows US standard.

I am not familar with those phone setting, I just want a simple setup to allow me to use OBiON in my iPhone to call the OBi110 installed at home (Hong Kong) or redirect calls to/from Hong Kong, when I go overseas.

After I watch the youtube movie on "Mary's Story", I thought I got the solution.

So I waited for a few days in Amazon to get 2 units from OBIHAI (not third-party) and ship to a US address and spend USD40 to ask DHL to send it to Hong Kong.

But the result is that maybe the unit is very simple for users to installed in US, but it is a nightmare for overseas users to install their unit with land line.

With default setting, my phone didin't ring when a call come in.

I am really lucky to have another user in Hong Kong send me some settings so that my phone can ring now, but I still cannot get the CallerID right.

Hope OBIHAI, with their professional knowledge, can provide some "standard settings" for overseas users.

QBZappy · March 17, 2011, 08:00:10 PM

ronaldng,

Maybe you can search out yhfung on this forum. I think he is in HK as well. He has not mentioned these problems. Perhaps he has figured out some configs which are appropriate to your locale.

ronaldng · March 17, 2011, 09:18:12 PM

I meet him on another forum

http://www.telecom-cafe.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=3452&extra=page%3D1

he also got the problem on CallerID but his case is difference (blank Caller ID)

News:

How to convert SPA3000 setting to OBi110 Setting