Anyway to add the ability in the firmware to change what the obi device sets for a google chat status, or chat status message?
Currently it always defaults your chat status to Away, and if it is the only device logged into your google account, it sets the status message as "Voice Only", but any IMs sent, go to the obi device and arent received or logged anywhere that I know of.
It would be nice to be able to set the status to Available, or if possible not have the obi device involved with google chat since you can use other apps/devices for IM.
Here's another thread on this issue:
http://www.obitalk.com/forum/index.php?topic=364.0
Thanks.
Can't comment on the status situation, but the Obi has to be involved in chat because that is the part of gmail that it uses for communication. It signs into your google account as your gmail and uses the chat feature (which has voice capabilities).
I would think "voice only" would be the logical setting, since the Obi signs into your google account when you aren't really there, but is capable of receiving voice.
Thanks for responding!
I understand your points. It would still be nice to be able to change the Obi chat status from always being Away to Available, since I am in fact available and logged into my google chat via other IM clients.
Also, I don't think my other chat contacts realize that "Voice Only" means I have an Obi device and that I won't receive any of their IMs because just the Obi device is connected. So if there is someway to either a) set a custom chat status message such as "messages wont be received at this time" in place of "Voice Only" or b) have an option to log my google chat messages when Obi is the only device connected, or forward them to email etc.. so I don't miss any IMs during the "Voice Only" period.
If someone has any other suggestions or workarounds, other than using separate google accounts, I'd appreciate any input!
thanks.
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Hi, I'm looking at GChat. I see that you can setup a custom message. Next to the "Set status here" there is a pick list with an option to setup a custom message. You may have to log into you Gmail acct to manually change the status to whatever you want. It may be a PITA to have to manually change that every time. I think that might work. I have not tested it.
Yes, I've tried this, but the Obi device Away status with no message seems to take precedence whenever it is connected to the internet.
Not sure if there is some gchat setting to change this, or if others are not experiencing this behavior...
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Hi,
No, you are not the only one. You may check other threads in the forum and ask directly others who posted, with a similar issue, if they were able to find a solution to this. Good Luck.
Here are two interesting threads kind of related to the subject of the OP. It shows how someone with a similar issue with Asterisk+GV , and another with Pidgin IM showing the on line status he wanted to control. It may give the Obi people some idea on how to control the on line status of the OBi+GV.
Asterisk hack: make your Google Talk client invisible
http://www.personal.psu.edu/wcs131/blogs/psuvoip/2011/01/asterisk_hack_make_your_google.html
Google Talk invisible mode in Pidgin (Above mentioned post makes reference to this link)
http://chinmaykamat.wordpress.com/2010/01/22/google-talk-invisible-mode-in-pidgin/
Partial quote :
"Quick background: Google wrote a variety of XMPP extensions to make Google Talk do voice and a bunch of other non-standard XMPP things. One of those things is what Google calls "shared statuses," which also includes invisible mode--the ability to be online but set your client as invisible so that others can't see you, but could chat with you.
You might want to use this feature if, like me, your Google Voice number is attached to your main GMail account. I don't use the chat features but I appear online to anyone who has me in their contact list, as long as Asterisk is logged in, and that has the potential to draw unwanted instant messages (that will never get answered)."
Interesting reads, thanks. I'm guessing the Obi needs to support the google talk shared status feature:
<feature var='google:shared-status'/>
and/or some ability to send out manual XMPP xml code?
It will not be enough to just be invisible. Google supports sending "offline chats". So if you really are offline, you get an email with the contents of the offline chat. If you are just invisible however, the "offline chat" will get delivered to the Obihai device.
If there is no way to stop the Obihai device from eating the chat messages, first priority should be delivering the missed chats as emails or text messages.
I have just now found a heap of chats that I've missed while my status is "Voice Only"
Any updates to this possible feature/fix? Anyone have any workarounds?
Ive enabled chat logging in gmail so i can periodically check in case I miss any IMs, even though I might not find out immediately. Also, it is quite annoying to always have my global gtalk status set to Away, when I am in fact available.
Not really a work-around, but what I've done to find missed chats is do a search for "in:chats -me" in gmail. This should show all chat's you've gotten but never responded to.
Any updates on this? I am not entirely sure based on the posts in this thread if it is technically possible for Obi to implement invisibility and they just haven't yet; it's also been over a year so I don't know if any of those limitations are still the state of the Google service.
The reason this has come to my attention is because newer versions of Android will automatically display Google Talk status in the Contacts list, and seeing "Voice Only" under my name has caused some confusion for people who have my email associated with my phone number.
There are a few ways to fix this (I'm not entirely sure how permanent they are), such as signing in to my Google Talk account in gmail and setting my status to available (or custom). I also think that the confusion stems on my contacts' end when they don't use the Google Talk app (it may be installed by default and not everyone goes and disables it), and it's just quietly sending info to their contacts list.
But of course, the best fix would be if I could just be invisible and not be broadcasting any potentially confusing information to whatever program might pick it up and display it. Because I don't use Google Talk for anything but allowing my Obi to receive calls, "available" or "[custom message]" isn't quite true; invisible is exactly what I want to be.
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I've had the obi with this issue for a LONG time and never realized the obi was the culprit for why I wasn't really "invisible" and why people chatted me so often even when I thought I was invisible, until today:
I just set up my wife's GV# on SP2 on the Obi and she instantly saw the warning about not being invisible anymore. This makes the Obi no longer pass the wife acceptance test...
Would love to see some updates to this issue. The Asterisk hack mentioned looks like a good start...
I am in the same boat as everyone else. I didn't realize my Obi was doing this until my girlfriend got one
Admittedly 'Invisible' isn't the perfect solution, but it is definitely better than people messaging me thinking that i will see it next time i look at my computer. 'Voice Only' doesn't mean anything to the average computer use. Perhaps 'Invisible' and forwarding the messages the Obi receives as emails? I hope a firmware fix gets this, because i don't know that I will be vouching as heavily for the Obi/Google Voice combo until a fix comes along.
Isn't there a very simple solution to all of this? Create a new gmail account and transfer your existing GV number to this new gmail account. That way your "old" Gmail account is no longer associated with your GV Number. That is why it is always recommended that a separate Gmail account is set up solely for the OBi ATA to avoid these type of conflicts.
Having GV as part of your main gmail account has advantages of already being signed in to voice, etc. Not insurmountable, but certainly seems annoying to have to make a separate GV account.
Not a solution, but perhaps at least to help from missing chats that you received when you weren't really online, I built a bit upon tylercal's idea:
1. I created a label called "orphanChat"
2. I used gmail's multiple inbox feature to show me the results of this search right below my inbox:
in:chats -me -in:orphanChat. This shows all new chats which I never responded to.
3. In order to remove chats from showing there, I either need to reply to them, or label them as "orphanChat". If I do that consistently, then that mailbox will always be empty except when I really have a missed chat.
I understand that switching it to another google account is an option, but still think that an undesired and difficult to notice side effect for the end user qualifies as a bug. If using another google account is the suggested solution, the Google Voice setup instructions for the Obi should note that at setup. Something simple like "We recommend creating a Google Voice account solely for the Obi". That way crazy old ladies like my mom don't have their heads explode. Otherwise I still think a firmware fix is the best solution.
Thanks for the help!
Quote from: bryak on April 29, 2013, 03:25:41 PM
I understand that switching it to another google account is an option, but still think that an undesired and difficult to notice side effect for the end user qualifies as a bug. If using another google account is the suggested solution, the Google Voice setup instructions for the Obi should note that at setup. Something simple like "We recommend creating a Google Voice account solely for the Obi". That way crazy old ladies like my mom don't have their heads explode. Otherwise I still think a firmware fix is the best solution.
Thanks for the help!
I don't know why you consider it a firmware bug or even think a firmware fix is even possible. If I was in OBihai position I wouldn't mess with a working firmware just because a few individuals have issues. The issue here doesn't seem to be a concern for the vast majority of OBi users and the solution exist outside of modifying the firmware. Most OBi users that use Google Voice is just happy to have an inexpensive off the shelf device that just works with GV and be able to have a Home Telephone System with no fees/cost. Obviously, the device is not for everyone and then there are a few that think that purchasing a $50 ATA some how grant them the license to a world of benefits.
GV being free or operational with the OBi ATA can disappear at any time....count your blessings and enjoy it while it last. It drives be nuts when individuals makes silly comments like....."because i don't know that I will be
vouching as heavily for the Obi/Google Voice combo until a fix comes along". Who is asking you to vouch for the product? The OBi Line of ATAs are the best on the market. No other ATA even comes close. They vouch for themselves!
Quote from: RFord on May 01, 2013, 03:15:43 AM
The issue here doesn't seem to be a concern for the vast majority of OBi users and the solution exist outside of modifying the firmware.
I expect the vast majority of users don't even realize it's happening and may be missing chat messages left and right. I think that's the bigger issue. And, it sounds like there's a chance it
could be fixed in firmware, which seems reasonable enough to do. Companies release new firmware all the time.
I do agree that it's no reason to hate the Obihai. Still a great product, and hard to argue with free phone service from GV while it lasts. But each user should have the info to decide - this issue, and the fact that calls don't ring in your gmail, could be deal breakers for somebody.
Tested this with someone who owns an Obi device and uses the Chat For Google extension for the Chrome browser.
Messages, Voice and Video work fine without issue. Set Status to Away then Online. Now says Online too.
Never an issue while using Talkatone or Groove IP on my phone either.
The issue is that if you go
invisible on google chat (or if you sign off completely), other people will still see you as online due to the Obihai. Those people may then send you messages, thinking you'll get them, but you likely never will see them.
This is the message you get in the google chat when you go invisible:
QuoteOops! You are not invisible because you're logged into Google Talk from another client, device, or location that doesn't support invisibility.
As you've discovered, there's no problem if you go online in google chat. The highest level of availability will always be displayed to your contacts... so if I'm "online" in gmail, but "away" on my phone, people will see me as online.
You won't have to worry since Google Talk is now Google Hangouts and doesn't seem to show people online or offline. It's more like popping an SMS to your buddies.
I heard to find out who is online or not is based on if the contacts image is lit up or darkened? I can't tell myself.
Anyways it's unknown if they will be adding an option to show Online, Away, Offline and such. It really all depends on user feedback. I'm split if I like knowing or not as I can just send a message to someone and they will respond when they get it. Still don't know how exactly I feel about this.
Hangouts is new and will be getting Google Voice support like getting calls in and calling out as currently if you want to do this you have to use G-Talk in G-Mail (or used the Chat For Google extension for Chrome but now it's Hangouts.)
So they will be updating it with the rest of the features soon and merging it all like with the Google Plus Mobile app still having +Messenger included with it for now is already in the Hangouts app so it will be removed soon as well as merging SMS support (they will be integrating the Android Messaging app into Hangouts).
As Hangouts is taking all the separate Google chat methods and building them all in one which is fine.
You can get Google Hangouts on Android, iOS and as a Chrome browser extension for PC/Mac/Linux/ChromeOS.
What about losing the ability to use the Obi as our Google Voice "home" phone service completely with the changeover to Hangouts?? Anyone else (besides me) concerned about this? I have my own service to worry about, plus other friends/family that I've converted over since the Obi and GV work so well together. I've sent feedback in Gmail and GV about this concern; any other thoughts?
Google knows what neat tricks people have done with G-Talk calling beyond just PCs.
I wouldn't worry. They will be adding the calling feature in the new Hangouts. Should work the same.
Well just have to keep our eyes on it.
Found this bit of info from Nikhyl Singhal https://plus.google.com/106636280351174936240/posts :
Hangouts, phone calls and Google Voice
Thanks for all of your feedback on last week's Hangouts launch. I wanted to quickly talk about 1) making/receiving phone calls in Gmail, and 2) Google Voice support more generally.
1) Today's version of Hangouts doesn't yet support outbound calls on the web and in the Chrome extension, but we do support inbound calls to your Google Voice number. We're working hard on supporting both, and outbound/inbound calls will soon be available. In the meantime, you can continue using Google Talk in Gmail.
2) Hangouts is designed to be the future of Google Voice, and making/receiving phone calls is just the beginning. Future versions of Hangouts will integrate Google Voice more seamlessly.