I have read the thread you refer to, but it has no help for me. I just wanted to let the guy know he is not alone. I don't use ObiTalk Network because it is too flaky. In the meantime, my voip service is working fine, and have my cell phone for backup. I am seeing a sunset on Obi devices. As long as they make things difficult to use, they will slowly die. I have had Obi devices for going on 10 years I think, and run into new problems all the time. I am trying to find things to simplify my life and Obi is not in keeping with my agenda.